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52m Newly diagnosed. Hoping for help/advice/info
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05/10/2017 18:19
NewtoDD 
05/10/2017 18:19
NewtoDD 
52m Newly diagnosed. Hoping for help/advice/info

HI,

I was officially diagnosed last week.

I first noticed a small node in my RH palm back in January of this year. Went to my dermatologist hoping a quick cortisone shot would get rid of the bump. He informed me it was something that had to be surgically removed. Brought it up during my GP visit about a month later, he wrote me a referral to a specialist. I noticed an additional (larger/pea size) node a few weeks ago and went to see the specialist. After the first 5mins or so of him letting me know how lucky I came to see him specifically (and not someone who would immediately recommend surgery) he essentially told me just to come back when I could not longer move my fingers. (seems this is a popular "specialist" response from what I have been reading)

I have been doing a bit of research these last few days to see what I could do to better my situation. My first issue is that I do not have insurance and on the low income side of the scale. I also live in the US, Georgia.


Seems at present my only real option is Radio Therapy while things are still new/active in hopes of at least slowing down, and in rare cases reduce, the progression as I have not seem much positive results doing injections.

Doing research, it seems uninsured expense for (2) 5day RT session will run around $10-15k here in the US. The only real alternative I have found is to travel to the UK or Germany for the same (2) 5day sessions for around $1.6k (~800ea.).

Is this my only real option? My anxiety has kicked up a few notches this past week as I have noticed yet another node, up to 5 I think from feeling around spanning from trigger finger, to middle, to the original ring finger base....at least 1 on the palm under each of this fingers (no cords that I can tell).

before I just start nervous rambling I will end this here for now, hoping I can get some advice/help/feedback as I am fairly alone with this, other than my rather arrogant hand specialist which I wish not to return to unless necessary.

Thank you in advance for any help.

Edited 05/10/17 21:23

05/11/2017 06:58
spanishbuddha 

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05/11/2017 06:58
spanishbuddha 

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Re: 52m Newly diagnosed. Hoping for help/advice/info

Hi, sorry to hear your news.

Watch and wait is OK as long as you keep a record, with photos, along with notes of other signs and symptoms. For the majority DD progresses slowly and does not lead to a contracture, but it's hard to predict. There are a few risk factors you can find on the BDS website http://dupuytrens-society.org.uk/information/risk-factors/ and if any of these apply to you consider changes if possible.

If the disease is active, which it sounds like it is, and you want to be pro-active about it, then as you say RT is the only evidence based treatment. However there are a growing number of anecdotal reports that specific type of massage helps early stages too, see the massage thread http://www.dupuytren-online.info/Forum_E...-2_18_5.html#49 and this forum user report http://www.dupuytren-online.info/Forum_E...s-0_2284.html#3.

Most people in the US seek a radiologist from a local oncology centre, one who is either familiar with the disease and treatment, or is willing to research the published evidence and follow the common protocols. Your record with photos and notes will help as objective evidence that the timing is right, or not. I can't comment on US insurance as I don't know who covers it and what the deductible is. Travel to Germany has been done by many people and you can read their experiences on the website http://www.dupuytren-online.info/dupuytr...xperiences.html. Although ProfS is afaik still on a health break the clinics in Hamburg and Essen are available. There is a DART Facebook group with a large US membership that may be able to help with your questions about cover and a local radiologist.

Best wishes SB

Edited 05/11/17 10:00

05/11/2017 19:42
NewtoDD 
05/11/2017 19:42
NewtoDD 
Re: 52m Newly diagnosed. Hoping for help/advice/info

Ty for the info.

I do not think treatment in the US is going to be an option for me as I do not have insurance and Ger=2000usd is much easier than US=20000usd.

I am hoping to get this done in the early stages in hopes of having a better chance at a positive effect. I will renew my passport tomorrow toward that direction.

Unfortunate to hear that ProfS is on break as he is whom I have the most info on and his office seems very close to the Airport. When I tried Delta I did not see any flights to Essen.

Edited 05/11/17 22:43

05/12/2017 07:50
wach 

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05/12/2017 07:50
wach 

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Re: 52m Newly diagnosed. Hoping for help/advice/info

You could e.g. consult Dr. Herkstroeter in Frankfurt. He is listed at the bottom of http://www.dupuytren-online.info/radiotherapy_clinics.html. He has many years of experience in treating DD and LD, patient's experience is on http://www.dupuytren-online.info/dupuytr...xperiences.html, and Frankfort has a big international airport. You should inquire about his fees before embarking on your trip but I would expect his charges to be within your budget.

Wolfgang

NewtoDD:
Ty for the info.

I do not think treatment in the US is going to be an option for me as I do not have insurance and Ger=2000usd is much easier than US=20000usd.

I am hoping to get this done in the early stages in hopes of having a better chance at a positive effect. I will renew my passport tomorrow toward that direction.

Unfortunate to hear that ProfS is on break as he is whom I have the most info on and his office seems very close to the Airport. When I tried Delta I did not see any flights to Essen.

05/14/2017 11:55
NewtoDD 
05/14/2017 11:55
NewtoDD 
Re: 52m Newly diagnosed. Hoping for help/advice/info

Thank you.

I have been trying to contact Dr. Herkstroeter, is this the best way (for a non-German speaking person) Strahlentherapiepraxis@gmail.com ?

Edited 05/14/17 14:55

05/15/2017 05:52
wach 

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05/15/2017 05:52
wach 

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Re: 52m Newly diagnosed. Hoping for help/advice/info

That ought to work. He is speaking English, so language is no problem, but please give him some time to respond because he is busy. It might take a couple of weeks and please do not expect remote diagnosis or consultation because that would be medically not justified. Please be crisp in your mail and do not expect long responses. Doctors usually don't have time to read or write a lot. Just describe your status, ask whether and when he would treat you and how much he would charge.

Wolfgang

NewtoDD:
Thank you.

I have been trying to contact Dr. Herkstroeter, is this the best way (for a non-German speaking person) Strahlentherapiepraxis@gmail.com ?

05/21/2017 17:38
NewtoDD 
05/21/2017 17:38
NewtoDD 
Re: 52m Newly diagnosed. Hoping for help/advice/info

Thank you for the information.

I just heard back from Dr. Herkströter so to help others that may come later to this post for information I will provide parts of the information he provided in the email.

----------(8 days for initial contact)---------
The radiation of M. Dupuytren and M. Ledderhose is a standard treatment in Germany, we irradiate 2-5 Patient daily since 15 years.

We only treat active (growing) M. Dupuytren/ M. Ledderhose nodules/tendon or nodules which give any pain. The radiation treatment wouldn’t destroy the nodule or the tendon but it should stop the growing.

We irradiate the Morbus Dupuytren like given in German Guidelines in 2 sessions of radiotherapy. Five times (Monday to Friday)with 3,0 Gy/day up to 15 Gy, re treatment after 8 ( 6-12) weeks. Then again 5 times (Monday to Friday)3,0 Gy/day up to 15 Gy, (at all 30 Gy).

The treatment (5 times radiation , 6-12 week break, 5 times radiation) is paid for each target/radiation-field : 1 field 650€ , 2 fields- 910€, 3 fields- 1170€ 4 fields1430 € at all.
------------------------------------------

I also started a form of massage therapy that was developed by Stephen Jeffrey thanks to the information and testimonials provided in an earlier link above. I had my first last week but unfortunately she is away until next week so will resume then before I leave for Frankfort.

My plan thus far is to travel to Dr. Herkströter some time in mid-late June for the first round of treatments, then continue the massage therapy ($65usd/ 1hr session) for 2-3 weekly sessions, then 2 bi-weekly, then 1/month. Then return in Sept. for the final round of treatments. I will most likely continue the monthly massage therapy sessions as well.

My realistic goal/motivation is just basically to delay any surgery for as long as possible.

I am hoping the RT will stop the progression and take away the occasional pain when the nodes get bumped too hard or from too much pressure. If I can only achieve those two hurdles, anything more than that will just be bonus for me. I have read good reports of node softening from both the RT and MT, right now they range from tomato-orange in hardness. To have them all soft enough and pain free that I seldom notice they are there and return to regular activities without worry of enhancing their progression...that would be best case scenario.

05/21/2017 19:46
spanishbuddha 

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05/21/2017 19:46
spanishbuddha 

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Re: 52m Newly diagnosed. Hoping for help/advice/info

Thanks for the update and info too from Dr. Herkströter. Sounds like a good plan. Please do stay in touch and let us know how it goes; I don't think we've had reports before from a trip to Dr. Herkströter.

12/31/1969 23:00
Regina 
12/31/1969 23:00
Regina 
Re: 52m Newly diagnosed. Hoping for help/advice/info

spanishbuddha:
Thanks for the update and info too from Dr. Herkströter. Sounds like a good plan. Please do stay in touch and let us know how it goes; I don't think we've had reports before from a trip to Dr. Herkströter.

12/31/1969 23:00
Regina 
12/31/1969 23:00
Regina 
Re: 52m Newly diagnosed. Hoping for help/advice/info

Hemp oil (2tbs/day)
Hemp hearts (3 tbs/day)

Hemp oil warm inside of latex gloves overnight
Warm hemp oil over the joints.

Also, I eliminat from my diary diet tomatoes, red peppers, sugar(all kind), potatoes(all kind) and caffeina.
I had improved the consume of broccoli, onions(boiled), carrots, zucchini, kiwi and lime.

My nodules became softener after not more than three days and almost 70%of the pain of my rheumatoid arthritis disappeared

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