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After effects of surgery
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02/22/2009 07:28
Randy_H 
02/22/2009 07:28
Randy_H 

Re: After effects of surgery

There are somewhat rare cases where the joints of the fingers closest to the trauma from the surgery swell quite a bit after surgery. This regardless of the post op PT. I had two rounds of hand therapy because my hand was still so stiff. Finally my surgeon admitted that the swelling and stiffness of my hand was "off the chart".

To this day (five years later) I have found nothing that can be done about this. I believe things may be improving a bit and hope that in 10 years or so most of pain and the normal functioning of my hand will return. I will *never* submit to additional Open Surgery under any circumstances.

NA on the other hand (quite literally) has bee a God send. One NA was performed four years ago and I have had no further problems.

My story is of no consultation other than the fact that you are not alone. Still, it does sound that you also did not get enough PT. I went 3 times a week and it was hell. At least I can push through the stiffness and get 90% range of motion, but not without the kind of pain that makes me grind my teeth. I consider my hand 30 to 40 % crippled.

02/22/2009 11:08
Wolfgang

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02/22/2009 11:08
Wolfgang

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Re: After effects of surgery

Richard, I much agree with newman that a 2nd opinion might be useful.

Your story reminds me somewhat of my own experience. After surgery my finger was straight but my hand was so swollen that I was hardly able to bend my fingers and couldn't make a fist anymore. I saw my surgeon already after 6 six weeks but he was not at all impressed and told me to wait and see. It will get better anyway. He favoured regular practicing of my hand and short, warm baths but not excessive physio. He was basically right in my case because eventually my hand got thinner. Yet it took about 6 months until it looked like the other hand again.

My understanding is that some patients have contrictions on their arm's veins. They are typically not aware of it because it doesn't matter under normal circumstances. But when the hand is operated this might result in strong swelling of the hand and much longer recovery times. If the swelling is very strong and persists it can have long term side effects. Therefore you need to act and consult an experienced hand surgeon.

You might also have a look at http://www.dupuytren-online.info/dupuytr...ideeffects.html. Your doctor might be interested in the paper by Wilhelm "The Significance of the Subclavian Vein Stenosis in the Treatment of Dupuytren's Disease". English abstract http://www.dupuytren-online.de/downloads...se_abstract.pdf.

Wishing you a quick recovery

Wolfgang

02/27/2009 19:01
bstenman 
02/27/2009 19:01
bstenman 
Re: After effects of surgery

The side effects are not from the surgery so much as from starving the cells with the use of a tourniquet for the entire limb during the 90 minute long operation. Dr. Denkler has been advocating for years the use instead of arterial clamps but even with evidence covering over 4000 hand surgeries the medical profession has been reluctant to change how it operates. Different people, different durations of surgery, and different tourniquet procedures, all play a role in the outcome and probability of serious side effects after a facsciectomy.

Equally important is having an excellent physical therapist with specific knowledge and experience with fasciectomy patients and rehabilitation. I would want to talk to the therapist before undertaking the operation, in part to see if I could learn if patients operated on by a particular surgeon tended to have shorter recovery times and better outcomes.

For swelling in general the use of an ice pack for 15-20 minutes will reduce swelling, alleviate the pain, and promote healing (as the swelling interferes with circulation necessary for the bodies recuperative processes).

My experience in dealing with health practitioners over the years is that few are involved with anything pertaining to post operative care and the impact on patient. If the procedure is successful and they will get paid and not sued, that is as the end of it for most - and having health care managed by insurance companies and profit maximizing bureaucrats as it is in the USA makes this tendency even worse.

02/28/2009 06:38
Wolfgang

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02/28/2009 06:38
Wolfgang

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Re: After effects of surgery

Good point bstenman!

04/23/2009 11:46
millerfamily5

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04/23/2009 11:46
millerfamily5

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Re: After effects of surgery

Hi fellow sufferers

Thanks for all your replies, views and advice.

Physiotherapy turned out to be more splinting of the palmer variety (which keeps my wrist in extension) in an attempt to straighten my little finger and the one next to it. This form of splinting seem to rely on the effectiveness of me tightening the strapping attached to the splint by Velcro which I have to wind around the splint (and the affected fingers) which is divided between the 2 affected fingers, in order to bring my finger into the shape of the splint. I am on to my second splint of this type. So far there appears to be little effect.

I have to go back for a review by the therapists in mid May (also I may get another course of ultrasound treatment) and a week later I see the Consultant again for his review.

The affected fingers are still very swollen and prevent me from making a fist due to limit ability to flex the joints of these two fingers, whilst at the same time the joints in these fingers apart from the distal interphalangeal joint of my little finger which now has full extension, are still contracted. This is despite massaging the hand and fingers with aqueous cream, and exercises as specified by the physiotherapist to flex and extend the joints of the affected fingers.

I was told by the therapists that it may be a year or morepost op that the swelling in the fingers diminishes.

I still have a limited range of movement in my wrist.

Following the next meetings with the therapists and consultant, I will consider asking my GP (I live in England by the way) for another medical opinion.

Regards

Richard

05/06/2009 17:33
brook

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05/06/2009 17:33
brook

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Re: After effects of surgery

Dupuytrens Contracture Reduced with Hand Therapy plus Dynasplint
Greg Vigoren, DMD and Buck Willis, PhD

ABSTRACT
Dupuytren’s contracture is characterized by fibrosis of the palmar fascia leading to flexural contracture of the digits. The progressive nature of this pathology can affect the activities of daily living and could become financially devastating for a profession which requires delicate hand-eye-coordination. The purpose of this report is to examine Dynamic Splinting as an adjunct to hand therapy in regaining range of motion (ROM) for both the metacarpophalangeal (MCP) and the proximal interphalangeal (PIP) joints.
The patient was a 60 year-old, caucasian male oral surgeon. He received hand therapy twice a week for 8 weeks including deep soft tissue mobilization (hand to forearm) and manual stretching for both intrinsic and extrinsic musculature. The patient’s ROM increased with this therapy but eventually plateaued. As an auxiliary treatment, the hand DS was prescribed for home therapy. The protocol for the use of the DS system was to implement use on alternate days for the MCP joint and the PIP joint. The hand Dynasplint was worn at night while resting or sleeping for 6-8 hours a day.
After using Dynamic Splinting as an adjunct with hand therapy for 5 weeks, the patient regained 50% ROM in the MCP of both 2nd and 5th fingers. Flexion was also substantially affected. This combined treatment of manual and Dynamic Splinting therapies allowed the patient to regain the manual dexterity necessary for his profession and served as a preventative measure to avoid the need for surgery.

05/07/2009 06:30
wach 

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05/07/2009 06:30
wach 

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dynasplint paper

Interesting abstract but it doesn't say where it is published (except on the dynasplint web site). I wasn't able to find it in PubMed. Also interesting that the results don't mention the PIP joint anymore.

Wolfgang

07/21/2009 20:04
kathleenloughran@hotmail.co.uk

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07/21/2009 20:04
kathleenloughran@hotmail.co.uk

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Re: After effects of surgery

miller family 5
My husband had had the same as you only his middle ring finger.he had his op in May 09 and feels terrible knuckles swollen can't bend hand pins and needles so we were sent to a specialist(this was after seeing his surgeon and 2 other consultants) and he did an electric probe on his hand and arm turns out he has trapped nerves and carpal tunnel and no amount of physio will make it any better. He now has to get another op so hopefully this helps . I hope you find this interesting and go get those probes done.

07/22/2009 17:43
jimh 
07/22/2009 17:43
jimh 
Re: After effects of surgery

I've been through somewhat similar surgeries twice. Swelling is normal and takes months to resolve. Re-opening of the wound is also common; it is healing from the inside out, so it continues to look alarmingly bad even though serious healing is in progress. Keep doint the exercies to the max, and make sure the splint is doing its job. You may not get optimal recovery if PT has been skipped, but you may end up with significant improvement in the end. Repair of the 5th finger PIP joint is seldom completely successful. I was also at 90 degrees and even with full PT and splint, within 2 years I'd lost most of what I'd gained from the surgery. All they can do, with this joint, is try their best.

09/26/2009 19:35
guitar

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09/26/2009 19:35
guitar

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Re: After effects of surgery

Glad to hear I'm not the only one who's had dismal results for post operative surgery. This blog has been a wealth of knowledge for all of us who have contracted this mysterious disease. Splints,lotions, heat packs, hot water soaking, physical therapy appt's for post surgery procedures are futile in a lot of cases.
I'm not a Doctor but having had 3 of these surgical procedures I'm learning slowly but surely. I'm 59 and have had 3 of these in the past 6 years. Pinky and ring surgeries. From what I learned , especially for the pinky/little finger the last option is amputation for repeat occurances that render no good results.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT !
Recently a good friend and RN here in NY had to be brought in for an Orthopedic surgery for a tendon that was severely hurting her ability to walk from a tendon that extends from the lower calf to her ankle that had contracted.the procedure was performed up at Albany Medical Center here in NY.
Instead of cutting connective tissue that was contracting here calf to ankle a tendon extention to the afflicted area was sewn in and she's had excellent results today.
I've got a follow up post surgery with my Doctor Tues. and I've got to ask him about this and if this is even feasible. In his humble opinion aponevrotomy as an option was negated because of it's failure rate post surgery Wish me luck with getting a good answer this Tuesdaystrxpe.

Jan

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