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Dupuytren's diathesis
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10/05/2014 00:46
Lisa617 
10/05/2014 00:46
Lisa617 
Dupuytren's diathesis

Has anyone ever heard of the term Dupuytren's Diathesis? Is it actually a more progressive form of Dupuytren's.
There are 4 factors of having this form.

1)You must have it in BOTH hands
2) You must have it in another form, such as Ledderhose, Periones, Knuckle pads etc....
3) Must have documented family history
4) Must be under the age of 50

I had never heard of this until reading up on everything I can about Dupuytren's. I also have Ledderhose, and I have had surgery on my left hand and my left foot. I need more surgery, especially on my right hand, but I have no insurance now, so I am left to suffer. I also have 1 knuckle pad on my left pinky finger.I am 49, but I was 47 when I had my first surgery. My Dad had this, my brother has this and I have two uncles and an aunt that has it, none of the others had/have Ledderhose though.

Just wondering if anyone has this form of Dupuytren's like me...

Lisa

10/05/2014 06:30
wach 

Administrator

10/05/2014 06:30
wach 

Administrator

Re: Dupuytren's diathesis

Hi Lisa,

Dupuytren's disease can develop quite fast or very slowly, within months or over years and decades. It is very difficult to predict who is a candidate for fast development, i.e. who's Dupuytren's is relatively aggressive. Dupuytren's diathesis is an attempt to combine several features and use them as indication for an aggressive form of the disease. This attempt has been questioned and modified several times. Results are contradictonary and Dupuytren's diathesis is not yet fully established. The scoring by Abe at al. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15336743 is another attempt to predict aggressiveness and the odds for recurrence. Prediciting the aggressiveness of Dupuytren's remains very difficult.

BTW, I myself have all 4 signs that you mentioned. I have been suffering from Dupuytren's for over 30 years by now and I am still doing OK. I would not be too concerned about Dupuytren's diathesis.

Wolfgang

10/05/2014 06:45
Seph 
10/05/2014 06:45
Seph 

Re: Dupuytren's diathesis

Lisa; Diathesis simply means that that there is a a predisposition or vulnerability. Obviously if you have multiple markers then you have a greater propensity to get whatever it is that you are researching.

With DD 9I have formed the view that there is a kind of type 1 and type 2 sufferer. Think of type 1 as Diathesis and type 2 as everyone else. I may case I have all 4 markers. LD and DD before I was twenty, both hands both feet, other family members with the disease. but its not a big deal.

If you have this you know that you have to manage it. But the good news is it won't kill you and the only real challenge is to keep your hands and feet functioning.

Seph

10/05/2014 15:14
Tusk 
10/05/2014 15:14
Tusk 
Re: Dupuytren's diathesis

Good to read Wolfgang's comments. We are very fortunate he gives his time and energy to this board. Can't imagine where we would be without it. Ignorant and dependent on uninformed hand surgeons for sure!

Below is a copy of a post I made several years ago on this. I've always considered myself to be in this category although I don't yet have LD or other presentation. So perhaps it is not something to worry about.
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A "diathesis" presentation is usually considered more aggressive Dupuytren's biology which could indicate a higher rate of recurrence among other things.

Some of the diathesis indicators are:
- immediate family with disease
- early age onset
- bilateral (both hands)
- more fingers involved
- disease on radial side of hand (index finger and thumb)
- other presentations of similar disease (feet, knuckles, shoulder, etc.)
- higher degree of nodularity
- rapid progression of disease
The more indicators you have, the more likely you were to have "diathesis".

Edited 10/05/14 18:17

10/08/2014 01:27
pia2some 
10/08/2014 01:27
pia2some 
Re: Dupuytren's diathesis

I have had two hand specialist tell me I have Dupuytren's diathesis. I have gone through Xiaflex, palmar fasciectomy and NA and had DC flare terribly after each treatment. Obviously, I have an aggressive form of DC. It is what it is.

Try not to let it worry you too much.

~ dawn

10/08/2014 17:56
Lanod 
10/08/2014 17:56
Lanod 
Re: Dupuytren's diathesis

Tusk,

You wrote: “Good to read Wolfgang's comments. We are very fortunate he gives his time and energy to this board. Can't imagine where we would be without it. Ignorant and dependent on uninformed hand surgeons for sure!”

Tusk, I want to humbly echo your comments and second what you have said. For a person of Wolfgang’s standing to volunteer to give so much of his personal time and effort in helping others in such an unselfish manner is absolutely outstanding! People may not know this, but much of the value of this forum is due to Wolfgang’s tireless work in the background – working towards a sharing of information in the context of a poorly understood disease. I know his doctorate is in a discipline that is far from the subject matter of this forum, but he is so self-educated in the topic of this DD and LD condition that he is respected as an expert - even by the medical community in the context this condition.

While I am at this (well intentioned) moment of praise – I would also like to also acknowledge SpannishBuddha for his constant support and wisdom in his unselfish contributions. Almost always first to welcome a new member and to pass on his words on encouragement.... even if sometimes he seems over careful on the 'mind your hands' point!

Congratulating forum members does little to alleviate the personal problems of DD and LD suffers for individual members – but without such support we would be missing one good light in the darkness.

10/08/2014 18:17
Stefan_K. 
10/08/2014 18:17
Stefan_K. 

Re: Dupuytren's diathesis

I don't know any forum member personally nor know much about those who have done and continue to do the work behind the scene, but as an active member of numerous internet fora I have been very pleasantly surprised by the quality and pleasant, constructive tone of contributions here and certainly appreciate what they do for the mental and physical comfort of DD or LD sufferers like me. Any unnecessary invasive surgery avoided and any contracture released with or without it is well worth it. Big thanks to all.

10/09/2014 19:06
tommymac 
10/09/2014 19:06
tommymac 
Re: Dupuytren's diathesis

pia2some:
I have had two hand specialist tell me I have Dupuytren's diathesis. I have gone through Xiaflex, palmar fasciectomy and NA and had DC flare terribly after each treatment. Obviously, I have an aggressive form of DC. It is what it is.

Try not to let it worry you too much.

~ dawn
Hi Dawn,
Those 9 words are wonderful advice to pia2some.Iam so enlightened by this forum.do realise Dup's life changer.no one takes a gamble on work front. Did work as chef, but all me credentials got chewed into medical scripts, love Yeats# be secret and take defeat on the work that's come to nowt.
catch u soon,
tommymac

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