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Early Onset, Thumb, Bilateral?
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10/12/2014 00:27
acissej.66 
10/12/2014 00:27
acissej.66 
Early Onset, Thumb, Bilateral?

Hi, I'm new to this forum but not to Dupuytren's. I'm 23 now, female, I was 17 at first diagnosis. My first nodule was at the base of my left thumb, it was painful and itchy at times. I went to a hand specialist who recommended removal of the "mass," and so I had surgery, after which I was diagnosed with Dupuytren's. Following the surgery, I quickly had a recurrence. My left thumb is now contracted about 50 degrees. I have pain whenever there is any strain on it, and sometimes randomly. Within the past couple of weeks, I started having pain at the base of my right thumb, the same kind of pain I experienced when the nodule in my left hand was forming. Though I can't feel any obvious nodules yet, I am worried. If I do develop another contracture, I don't think surgery is a good option for me since I had such an aggressive recurrence last time. I am young and worried about the potential impact this disease may have on my career especially with it's presentation in my thumbs (currently a dog groomer, in school to be a programmer). Are there any good specialists in NJ/Philly area?

10/12/2014 05:00
MikeNinerSeven 
10/12/2014 05:00
MikeNinerSeven 
Re: Early Onset, Thumb, Bilateral?

Hi,

I do not know about specialists in your area but have you done "a bunch" of reading on this site? There is a lot of very good information. I would suggest doing a couple of hours of reading on different treatments and specifically on RT. I had round one of RT in Germany with Prof S and my local cancer clinic just did round two.

More people will answer this thread in a couple days at most with their suggestions.

By the way, I work in IT.

Good luck,
MikeNinerSeven

Edited 10/12/14 08:01

10/12/2014 06:47
spanishbuddha 

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10/12/2014 06:47
spanishbuddha 

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Re: Early Onset, Thumb, Bilateral?

Hi acissej

Did you see the list of doctors performing NA in the NY area on the treatment page:
http://www.dupuytren-online.info/NA_list_North_America.html. You might find a doctor from amongst them or referral. Xiaflex or NA might help with the thumb contracture, and can be repeated.

if you were younger then RT might be an option for a phase of active growing nodules, but it does not sound like the time is right, and your relative youth may preclude that. Worth asking about though since RT has been done in aggressive cases before on young people.

Dog grooming and excessive use of computer mouse are activities that can cause RSI, tendinitis, and may aggravate any predisposition to DD. I would seek out ways to improve the comfort when doing those activities.

Best wishes
SB

Edited 10/12/14 09:48

10/12/2014 23:51
Tusk 
10/12/2014 23:51
Tusk 
Re: Early Onset, Thumb, Bilateral?

Dr. Pess is one of the best NA (needle aponeurotomy) docs in the country. You are close to him.
http://www.centraljerseyhand.com/gary-pess-md.htm

10/13/2014 14:59
acissej.66 
10/13/2014 14:59
acissej.66 
Re: Early Onset, Thumb, Bilateral?

Thank you for your responses.

Central Jersey Hand Surgery is actually where I was originally misdiagnosed. I had seen Dr. Decker, though, not Dr. Pess. After he performed the surgery and biopsy, Dr. Decker actually blamed his misdiagnosis on me because "a Dupuytren's nodule wouldn't cause the pain you reported." So I'm a little reluctant to go back, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to see Dr. Pess.

The idea of RT is a bit off-putting to me. I have family members who've received RT for cancer treatment, and I don't think I would choose it even if I did have cancer. I am interested in NA or other treatment, though.

How early can doctors detect a nodule forming on scans?

10/13/2014 17:45
spanishbuddha 

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10/13/2014 17:45
spanishbuddha 

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Re: Early Onset, Thumb, Bilateral?

MRI or ultrasound can be used to assist with location of nodules, however for early signs perhaps the best diagnostic tool is an experienced physician performing a physical examination, palpating and gently stretching the hand and fingers.

Yes, RT may not be to everyone's liking and worrying with its inherent risks. But please don't compare the experience of someone undergone RT for cancer with that of RT for DD. The dose, duration and depth used for DD is much much smaller, and done on an extremity rather than the typical body organ. The worse side effect is often just some dry skin in the area radiated. Maybe revisit it as an option again one day in the future and look into it a bit more from afresh.

I usually advise people with a new diagnosis or recently discovered nodules to keep a journal with monthly records including photos. You can include other symptoms, pain, tingles, stretch measurements, and mark the outline of nodules detected by feel but not visible. Progression would be evident over months and you will have an objective record to discuss with a physician.

NA sounds like a good plan, with the right surgeon. Or Xiaflex?

Edited 10/13/14 22:52

10/13/2014 21:18
acissej.66 
10/13/2014 21:18
acissej.66 
Re: Early Onset, Thumb, Bilateral?

I will definitely take your advice about keeping a record of my symptoms, and I made an appointment with Dr. Pess. Thanks.

10/13/2014 22:31
pia2some 
10/13/2014 22:31
pia2some 
Re: Early Onset, Thumb, Bilateral?

acissej.66:
I will definitely take your advice about keeping a record of my symptoms, and I made an appointment with Dr. Pess. Thanks.

Dr. Pess often posts on our Facebook page for Dupuytren's. He seems incredibly knowledgeable and very nice. He often posts about lectures he is giving on DC at various conferences around the country. On FB, he gives us his opinions and advice on treatments and answers questions about each individual's situation.

I have always thought that was neat for him to take time to do that.

Yes, do some more research on RT. It really is nothing like radiation used to treat cancer. Dr. Pess does Xiaflex and NA as well. He should be able to evaluate your situation and advise you on which treatment would be best for you.

Good luck!

~ dawn

10/17/2014 14:46
newman 
10/17/2014 14:46
newman 

Re: Early Onset, Thumb, Bilateral?

Hi being only 23yrs of age ,I would not like my daughter to undergo RT ,even though there is no comparison to the dose rate used in the treatment of cancer. I've had RT both for Dups and Ledderhose. Having had surgery to your right thumb it may be difficult to carry out PNF .( called NA in US.)
Dr Meinel in Germany has had good results with patients only wearing a night splint to reduce the contraction . Dupuytren's in the thumb is not the norm.I have had many surgeries including both thumbs. Should your only option be surgery for the thumb I would consider a skin graft .(I've had four grafts.) The disease has not progressed in my fingers or thumbs after the graft. Should you wish contact me through the private message supplying your email and I can send you some photos of splints made for me by Dr Meinel. (Index fingers) Regards.

Edited 10/17/14 22:05

10/18/2014 20:54
newbie 
10/18/2014 20:54
newbie 
Re: Early Onset, Thumb, Bilateral?

newman:
Hi being only 23yrs of age ,I would not like my daughter to undergo RT ,even though there is no comparison to the dose rate used in the treatment of cancer. I've had RT both for Dups and Ledderhose. Having had surgery to your right thumb it may be difficult to carry out PNF .( called NA in US.)
Dr Meinel in Germany has had good results with patients only wearing a night splint to reduce the contraction . Dupuytren's in the thumb is not the norm.I have had many surgeries including both thumbs. Should your only option be surgery for the thumb I would consider a skin graft .(I've had four grafts.) The disease has not progressed in my fingers or thumbs after the graft. Should you wish contact me through the private message supplying your email and I can send you some photos of splints made for me by Dr Meinel. (Index fingers) Regards.


I have read that 66% of patients with Dupuytrens don't get contractures. I have been recently diagnose myself with nodules and cords in both of my hands. I have no contracture and was going to take a wait and see approach since only about 1/3 of dupuytrens patients get contracture. Does this make any sense ? I must admit I need to learn a lot more about this disease, and this is a good place to start

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