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Fasciectomy before RT?
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09/26/2015 21:31
CACoder 
09/26/2015 21:31
CACoder 

Fasciectomy before RT?

Hey all,

First, thank you all for your contributions to this site and these forums! I've already found so much useful information on here. It's really been a massive help. I apologize this will probably be a pretty long post, but I'm very anxious and would love to hear some advice.

A little about myself. I'm a white, 27 year old male of mixed European dissent (Irish, German, Czechoslovakian, and some unknown). I've been doing a lot of rock climbing and mountain biking over the past year. I recently developed a painful ~1cm nodule in my right palm between my middle and ring MIP joints. I can still fully extend both fingers, but not beyond flat like I could a few months ago. I can no longer do push ups with my palms flat and wrists at ~90deg. I do have a history of trauma to the hand including countless minor falls and two prior surgeries. One was a multiple fracture repair of metacarpals 2-4 back in 2008 or 2009ish, and the second was a vascular malformation excision in 2010ish. The latter was in the exact spot where the new nodule has now formed. My initial assumption was the vascular malformation is now recurring.

I met with a hand specialist about it on Monday and his initial diagnosis is Dupuytren's. I had an MRI done as well, but I'm still waiting on my follow up next week. I hadn't heard of the condition before this, but I'm inclined to believe him based on what I've been reading online. I suppose there's a chance it could be an unusual ganglion cyst or something, but the doc seemed pretty sure of himself and I do have most of the risk factors other than age and family history. To be honest, I'm feeling a pretty scared and anxious especially considering I'm only 27 and type for a living (software engineer).

While we're still not 100% sure it's Dups, I'm trying to be as proactive in fighting it as I can in case the doc is right. Just reading about the prognosis, I've already decided that it's time to grow up and start taking better care of my body. I plan to cut way back on rock climbing and mountain biking and focus more on generally safer exercises like weight lifting, swimming, and running.

The doctor told me he'll most likely want to do an open fasciectomy, but I'm feeling pretty hesitant considering I've already had two prior surgeries on the hand and one of them seems like it almost surely contributed to the early onset given the location of my nodule. I'm pretty sold on getting RT as soon as possible. My main worry with that is if RT isn't enough to reduce the pain, then I may want to get some form of surgery down the line. But would getting surgery after possibly trigger the disease again? Would I be better off getting the fasciectomy then RT shortly after to help prevent recurrence? That would probably give me full range of motion back, but would it reduce the effectiveness of the RT? Also, I feel like I'm very young to be getting my third surgery on that hand already!

Any advice or experience or studies regarding surgery before or after RT would be much appreciated. I think just having an attack plan and possibly getting the ball rolling for the RT will help me feel a little more at ease.

Edited 09/27/15 00:55

09/27/2015 06:44
spanishbuddha 

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09/27/2015 06:44
spanishbuddha 

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Re: Fasciectomy before RT?

Welcome to the forum CACoder

Sorry to hear of all the problems you've had and now the mystery lump or possible nodule. 27 is also quite young to be diagnosed with DD but not unheard of especially with all the trauma.

I'm sure you have read that if it is DD there is a slight catch 22 that hand surgery often creates a flare of DD nodules. I wonder why your Dr proposes surgery so soon, when you have no or little contracture, just slight loss in flexion. Is there a cord that is reducing motion, that he proposes to remove? Surgery can take as little as a few weeks to recover, but also up to many months with physical therapy.

As a general rule we would advise surgery for DD for the serious cases of severe contracture with lots of disease, nodules and cords present, and suggest NA or Xiaflex as the first interventions for lesser contracture, and RT for 'early' cases with active symptoms of progression after a period of wait and see to be sure the timing for RT is right. So why is your Dr considering surgery now, if it is DD? RT is unlikely to help contracture with cords but might soften or reduce nodules.

Given the aforementioned risks of surgery, you can do NA, Xiaflex, even surgery first, and then RT, but RT is not a prophylactic, just effective on growing nodules and their transition to cords, and you only really have one chance of having RT so it's important to do it at the right time. With minimal or no contracture, but with active symptoms most people would do RT before any other interventions. Do you have ongoing symptoms that suggest DD is active and spreading?

It's difficult to give specific advice, but I hope this helps raise questions with yourself and the Dr so you can pick the right course of treatment.

Best wishes SB

09/27/2015 12:37
CACoder 
09/27/2015 12:37
CACoder 

Re: Fasciectomy before RT?

Thanks for the input!

I'm not sure why he wants to do an open fasciectomy already. I'm guessing it's because the nodule was very tender and causing me considerable pain when I saw him. When he mentioned Dupuytren's I didn't know anything about it, but I should be much better equipped to discuss my options with him at my follow up. Maybe he isn't the best doctor for me.

You're probably right about holding off. Just these past couple of days the pain seems to have reduced to a much more livable level. Even just the past day since my first post it seems to have gone down a bit. I guess the question then would be, do I get RT now, or wait for a bit and see if it's gone dormant already? It's possible that the flare up was caused by a recent blow to the hand, and if I just take it easy maybe I can put off treatment for a few years.

Or maybe it's not even Dups. I'm praying it's not, but like I said, I want to prepare for the worst.

10/01/2015 16:45
CACoder 
10/01/2015 16:45
CACoder 

Re: Fasciectomy before RT?

I just had my MRI follow up appointment yesterday, and now the hand specialist thinks that I have both a vascular malformation and Dupuytren's nodule in my hand. His theory is that the vascular malformation reformed over the past year or two, and I must have done something to bruise the vascular malformation (most likely rock climbing and mountain biking), which caused blood clotting and resulted in the formation of the Dupuytren's nodule.

I got a copy of my MRI and his write up and I'm currently to seeking out a multidisciplinary vascular anomalies group to get their opinion on what I should do, since the recurrent vascular malformation seems to be the source of my current problem.

Does anybody know if my nodule still qualifies as Dupuytren's disease if it formed as a result of blood clotting in a vascular malformation in my hand? The hand specialist certainly seems to think so, but isn't that just what blood clots do sometimes, turn into scar tissue? Does this really mean that I have the Dupuytren's gene?

Edited 10/01/15 19:48

10/02/2015 04:33
CACoder 
10/02/2015 04:33
CACoder 

Re: Fasciectomy before RT?

I found a couple interesting reads regarding "non-Dupuytren's disease of the palmar fascia" and how it differs from actual Dupuytren's disease. I think this somewhat addresses the questions in my previous post in case any others are interested:

http://dupuytrens.org/DupPDFs/2005_Rayan_1482.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16203068

I come from a pretty large family and as far as I know there is no history of Dupuytren's. Also, I only have the one nodule in a fairly atypical location on my palm. So it sounds like I may not actually have Dupuytren's disease but rather what these authors are calling "non-Dupuytren's palmar fascial disease". There's still a chance that I do have the Dupuytren's gene(s), but only time will tell.

That definitely eases my worries a little, but I also still don't know what's going to happen with this recurrent vascular malformation in my hand.

Edited 10/02/15 22:01

10/02/2015 13:35
spanishbuddha 

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10/02/2015 13:35
spanishbuddha 

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Re: Fasciectomy before RT?

Thanks for finding and sharing these links. You're 27 year old so I do understand your worries, but in reality just about the majority of people get 'something' during their life, and for many it's terminal, or life changing; and in some contexts DD isn't so bad. I say that as a keen piano and tennis player so appreciate the angst associated with what DD might mean.

10/02/2015 14:02
newman 
10/02/2015 14:02
newman 

Re: Fasciectomy before RT?

Hi there I would be more worried about Vascular Malformation than Dupuytrens. You say the surgeon "thinks" you have both . For me that is not good enough. You need to know either you have the disease or not. (Second Opinion needed) Google Thrombocythemia and Thrombocytosis which relates to Vascular Malformation in the hand.You might or not have the systems .It is suggested to have that blood tests and MRI scan. Blot Clots and Dupuytrens do not go together. Seek another opinion in a larger institution ,which has experience in Vascular Malformation first. Keep us posted.

Edited 10/02/15 18:11

10/02/2015 18:52
CACoder 
10/02/2015 18:52
CACoder 

Re: Fasciectomy before RT?

spanishbuddha:
Thanks for finding and sharing these links. You're 27 year old so I do understand your worries, but in reality just about the majority of people get 'something' during their life, and for many it's terminal, or life changing; and in some contexts DD isn't so bad. I say that as a keen piano and tennis player so appreciate the angst associated with what DD might mean.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. I broke my neck a few years ago and had to get a C5-C6 fusion. I've been trying to remind myself that it could be way worse; I'm very lucky not to be paralysed from the neck down.

newman:
Hi there I would be more worried about Vascular Malformation than Dupuytrens. You say the surgeon "thinks" you have both . For me that is not good enough. You need to know either you have the disease or not. (Second Opinion needed) Google Thrombocythemia and Thrombocytosis which relates to Vascular Malformation in the hand.You might or not have the systems .It is suggested to have that blood tests and MRI scan. Blot Clots and Dupuytrens do not go together. Seek another opinion in a larger institution ,which has experience in Vascular Malformation first. Keep us posted.

Thanks, I'll read up on it. I've got a physical coming up in a week and I'm already planning to get some blood work done. I might have to add that to the list of things to check for. I'm also trying to get in at one of the vascular anomalies clinics here in CA. Luckily we have a few of them (Stanford, UCSF, a couple others down in So Cal), but it seems like they're booked out at least a few months in advance. I've been told my tumor isn't big enough to cause any serious or life threatening blood clots, so it can probably wait at least a few months.

Edited 10/02/15 22:00

10/03/2015 06:49
newman 
10/03/2015 06:49
newman 

Re: Fasciectomy before RT?

Hi I am in Germany at the moment and know a couple of people that went into the emergency here with pain in the leg suspecting possible thrombosis. They immediately took blood to identify any high markers in the blood. Once identified one stayed in overnight for further blood test then ultra sound the next day. They were prescribed special blood thinners to be taken for 3 months plus a stocking . If it was me I would not be waiting months . If blood clots move they can finish up any where in the body. They can be life threatening
Get a second opinion. Regards

10/03/2015 13:51
CACoder 
10/03/2015 13:51
CACoder 

Re: Fasciectomy before RT?

I appreciate the advice, and I do plan to get a second opinion. I'm getting blood work done in a week, so I'll have them check my platelet count then. I think that's about the best I can do. ER visits are very expensive in the US. The hand specialist didn't seem too concerned about the clotting. He thinks it was caused by bruising my hand, and I have been very rough on my hands lately. I've also talked to my uncle who's an MD, and he told me that my tumor is not big enough to cause those dangerously large clots. I don't have any leg pain either. I'm not concerned enough to go to the ER. I think the blood test can wait a week.

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