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NA and Anesthesia -- Local or "Twilight Sleep"?
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06/11/2013 22:35
Maddie 
06/11/2013 22:35
Maddie 
NA and Anesthesia -- Local or "Twilight Sleep"?

I've finally gotten around to scheduling my second NA procedure, this time with Dr. Pess in NJ. I posted in the fall about my intent to do this, but am just now getting around to it (paraphasing John Lennon, life is what happens when you are in between Dupuytren's procedures).

Anyway, Dr. Pess's office asked me a question I didn't expect -- what kind of anesthesia do I want? I had an NA done two years ago by Dr. Denkler in the SF Bay Area, and he used a local - -he didn't even mention other options. But apparently Dr. Pess leaves the choice up to the patient.

I was fine with a local with Dr. Denkler (the needles to inject the local hurt quite a bit, but it was pretty easy after that). But the area I'm having done this time is much more extensive -- there is a complex of cords in my palm that fan out and are contracting 3 and possibly 4 fingers at the MCP joint, and at least one of the cords is very thick. I had another surgeon tell me about a year ago that if he did this hand he would recommend twilight sleep, because the area was so extensive. He said the area would require so many local injections that it would be really hard on a patient.

Dr. Pess said it's really a personal choice; he said he has done larger areas with just a local, and some patients want twilight sleep for even small areas. The downside to twilight sleep is you need to fast before the procedure, you need someone to drive you home afterwards, and it costs more. (For those of you outside the U.S. who might use different jargon - what we call "twilight sleep" is moderate anesthesia administered through an IV - you aren't entirely asleep, but you are pretty out of it mentally and don't remember much afterwards - kind of like being very drunk.)

I'd love to get input from anyone who's had experience with either option. I'd also love to hear from people who have experience with NA on thick cords. My big one is about 1/4 inch wide (0.6 cm for you metric folks).

Thanks in advance for your feedback!

Maddie

06/11/2013 22:45
sherrin 
06/11/2013 22:45
sherrin 
Re: NA and Anesthesia -- Local or "Twilight Sleep"?

I find out tomorrow for sure, but am scheduled for an NA on Monday, along with a FDS slip excision.

I was told I will be completely awake for the NA with only local, then they will put me out under either general or twilight for the second procedure.

06/11/2013 23:38
LubaM. 
06/11/2013 23:38
LubaM. 
Re: NA and Anesthesia -- Local or "Twilight Sleep"?

What is a "FDS slip excision ?

06/11/2013 23:40
LubaM. 
06/11/2013 23:40
LubaM. 
Re: NA and Anesthesia -- Local or "Twilight Sleep"?

Maddie,
My understanding has always been that you have to be fully awake during NA, so that you know when a doctor is touching or getting very close to a nerve, so he can stay clear of it... So my opinion is local anesthesia.

06/11/2013 23:47
sherrin 
06/11/2013 23:47
sherrin 
Re: NA and Anesthesia -- Local or "Twilight Sleep"?

I have had two failed trigger finger releases on my right index finger. They finally found the cause was Dupuytrens that they could not see earlier. The cords I have are in the webbing between my thumb and index finger as well as several other places in both hands.

The FDS slip excision is removing one branch from one of the two tendons in my finger. It is invasive, but should finally stop the trigger finger.

06/11/2013 23:57
potter 
06/11/2013 23:57
potter 
Re: NA and Anesthesia -- Local or "Twilight Sleep"?

Thanks for that info sherrin - it had me puzzled here as well....
Looks like another procedure to look forward to!

potter

06/12/2013 00:05
potter 
06/12/2013 00:05
potter 
Re: NA and Anesthesia -- Local or "Twilight Sleep"?

Hi Maddie,

I'm with LubaM... go for a local to minimise the danger of nerve damage - 'Twilight Sleep' and you'd possibly be too far out of it to know - or care!!

potter

06/12/2013 00:07
Seph 
06/12/2013 00:07
Seph 

Re: NA and Anesthesia -- Local or "Twilight Sleep"?

Maddie; I am astounded that anyone would even consider doing NA other than with a local. I don't know how the local is administered in the US but with the 5 NA procedures I have had in Paris the anesthetic was included in each needle. The anesthetic used was very local. Maybe covering only one quarter to one half inch cubed. So with each needle there is a small wait for the anesthetic to take.

It seems to me that this process is essential so that you can react instantly if a nerve is touched.

I have had successful NA on both deep and large cords. With the deep ones the doctors have had difficulty working around nerves but my instant reaction when the nerves have been touched is the reason I have no lasting nerve damage. Normally the doctor does a series of cuts along a cord and then breaks it but on my last session I had a large deep cord and after several attempts where nerves got in the way she came in at a new angle, did one cut and snapped the cord.

Where the nerves were touched I had a strange numbness for a month or two but this passed.

06/12/2013 01:17
cschieber 
06/12/2013 01:17
cschieber 
Re: NA and Anesthesia -- Local or "Twilight Sleep"?

I don't know. I've had twilight sleep for a different procedure and could still feel pain. I think you'd feel it if someone got too close to a nerve with a needle. It's more like being super relaxed than being asleep. Dr. Pess has done many NA procedures. I can't imagine he would recommend something that would increase risk of nerve damage.

06/12/2013 02:22
Tusk 
06/12/2013 02:22
Tusk 
Re: NA and Anesthesia -- Local or "Twilight Sleep"?

I agree. Pess is one of the top Dup docs in the country. I can't imagine the twilight procedure would place you at risk for nerve damage. But you should call them to confirm and remove any doubt.

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