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05/21/2014 20:50
rlinbc 
05/21/2014 20:50
rlinbc 
New member

Greetings,

I am very happy and appreciative to have found this web site as I am experiencing DD (or DC, don't know which abreviation is preferred).
It is very helpful to find how others are addressing this issue. I live in BC Canada.

Though I had nodules starting on my left hand palm below the small finger about 14 years ago (I'm 60), it only progressed to a 90 degree bend from the metacarpal phalangeal joint over the last two years which has made some type of treatment necessary. I'm also finding 2 nodules starting on my right hand small finger. After reading all of the posts here, I am contacting doctors in Nevada, California and Washington State. There is not a clinic near me so, I will fly to one of them.

Dr. Ericson's office told me that he does not use Xiaflex, stating that is is too new a drug. N/A might be best but I'll have to wait for the opinions to come in.

I am of northern european stock and drove trucks for many years until 2005, not that there is any correlation but, perhaps.

As I go forward in this journey, I hope to share my experience in order to benefit others.

Best wishes to all.

05/22/2014 06:34
spanishbuddha 

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05/22/2014 06:34
spanishbuddha 

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Re: New member

Welcome

Thanks for sharing and let's hope your treatment choices prove successful.

Driving trucks, is there a lot of vibration? The UK government thinks there is enough evidence of a link: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...ion-iiac-report

Best wishes

SB

05/22/2014 19:30
Randy_H 
05/22/2014 19:30
Randy_H 

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In order to avoid Open Surgery most US docs are now using Xiaflex. Before Xiaflex was approved NA had been imported from France where it was developed over 50 years ago. The limited acceptance in the US by hand surgeons was largely patient driven using this and a previous Forum to inform patients. We still certainly do that today but the urgency to convert surgeons to NA is far less, and actually more difficult because Xiaflex is the alternative that most surgeons trust.

Personally I believe that in most cases NA is preferable. Fortunately you have an MCP contraction as opposed to the PIP on your little finger. MCP is much easer to treat and NA will be far less expensive as you will be cash out of pocket from Canada. At 90 degrees it is definitely time to act.

Dr. Keith Denkler is highly respected. If I need more NA I'm off to Larkspur, CA.

05/22/2014 20:57
rlinbc 
05/22/2014 20:57
rlinbc 
Re: New member

Thank you for the responses!

@SB...Vibration from the wheel while driving truck...well, I never felt it in an uncomfortable way, though I'm sure there would be some and, gripping the steering wheel for many tens of thousands of hours...well, I can see the plausible connection as found in the UK study.

I might add that, even though my stock is north european, I am not aware of anyone in my immediate family having this disease.

@Randy_H...Yes, the N/A stands out as the best option, though Xiaflex appears a valuable adjunct. I find it curious that Dr. Ericson does not use Xiaflex. Will that change? Dr. Denkler uses both therapies. Still wating to hear from Dr. Grabow.

It didn't seem to me that photos of my hand(s) would be of benefit on this forum but, if it is, I would post.

05/23/2014 12:39
zinkadoodle 
05/23/2014 12:39
zinkadoodle 
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My experience, for all it's worth is as follows:

I had surgery about 12 years ago for DC on my left hand. To this day, my hand is perfect. I have a scar, which isn't noticible, unless I point it out to people. It's nothing. I have a few nodules and cords that developed right after the surgery, but no contractures at all. My hand is perfect.

But, as of about 4 years ago, I started to develop nodules and eventually contractions in my right hand. My ring finger is at 45 degrees at the PIP and the MP is at about 25 degrees. I've started contracting now in my middle finger MP. My hand, which is my dominant hand, is really hanging me up, including the fact that I absolutely cannot spread my fingers.

Last year, I entered into a multiple cord Xiaflex trial, hoping to avoid surgery. It was painful. The immediate pain was intense, and the lingering pain went on for months. But now the pain is gone. But the contractions are back big time, and advancing. They say that Xiaflex has a 30% or more recurrence rate, and NA is about 80%, which is why I went with Xiaflex. Well, Xiaflex had a 110% recurrence rate for me. It was a total failure, and I'm never doing that again.

So now, I'm scheduled for surgery on June 9. Given the success I've had with my previous surgery, this seems totally the way to go. I told my surgeon that right now I'm more afraid of doing nothing than having the surgery. That's not to say I'm not afraid of the surgery. I'm in a bit of a panic. But, my left hand is the gold standard that he is directed to accomplish. Because of the Xiaflex, the surgery will be more complicated, as the surgeon (a different doc than who did the Xiaflex) said that the Xiaflex is like a bomb going off in my hand, with the scar tissue he now has to work around. I'm scheduled for a 3 hour procedure. Damn......

Welcome to the group, however sorry that you have to be here. It's helpful. I don't come by here often, but it is a comfort and a huge educational experience.

~~ Diane

05/23/2014 13:00
wach 

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05/23/2014 13:00
wach 

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Hi Diane,

we will cross fingers (to the extent that we can) that your new surgery will be as successful as your first one! Will this be the same surgeon doing it?

Just for curiosity: it would be interesting whether the post-Xiaflex surgery really was much different to a "normal" surgery. Not much has been published on that yet.

Wolfgang

zinkadoodle:

...
So now, I'm scheduled for surgery on June 9. Given the success I've had with my previous surgery, this seems totally the way to go. I told my surgeon that right now I'm more afraid of doing nothing than having the surgery. That's not to say I'm not afraid of the surgery. I'm in a bit of a panic. But, my left hand is the gold standard that he is directed to accomplish. Because of the Xiaflex, the surgery will be more complicated, as the surgeon (a different doc than who did the Xiaflex) said that the Xiaflex is like a bomb going off in my hand, with the scar tissue he now has to work around. I'm scheduled for a 3 hour procedure. Damn......

Welcome to the group, however sorry that you have to be here. It's helpful. I don't come by here often, but it is a comfort and a huge educational experience.

~~ Diane

05/23/2014 15:23
rlinbc 
05/23/2014 15:23
rlinbc 
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Best of luck to you, Diane! I thought Xiaflex was going to be so great but, as I read more experiences it appears it is a mixed bag.

05/23/2014 22:55
zinkadoodle 
05/23/2014 22:55
zinkadoodle 
Re: New member

Wach, thanks for the offer of crossed fingers. If you can, great. If you can't, well, it's the thought that counts. :-)

No, it's not going to be the same surgeon. I wish. I did call him, but he no longer takes my insurance, and there is no way I can afford to go out of network. I found this doc in Smithtown, NY who specializes in Dupuytren's, and my conversations with him give me a lot of confidence. He has two reviews on the internet, and they're both very positive, although not about DC surgery. But, as I said, he seems really knowledgable and competent, and my rheumatologist has heard nothing but good things about him.

I'm also curious about how surgery goes after Xiaflex. In my discussions with the doc, he has performed surgery after Xiaflex, wherein he was able to make that judgement about the scarring. In fact, he did tell me that recently he had to amputate a finger post Xiaflex, because of Xiaflex complications, which he pointed out was very rare. I should hope so!! The complications, from what I understood, was that the Xiaflex was injected into structures other than just cords, and just destroyed this guys tendons and surrounding tissue. Yikes!!! He promised me that he wasn't going to amputate my fingers, as I don't have such complications. I'm not worried, except maybe I was turning a bit green as he was discussing this.

Needless to say, I'm nervous. I'd be nervous no matter what, regardless of who was doing the surgery. It's a big deal. But, I've been through this before, and recovery was achieved. Life is good. No doubt, I'll be posting as soon as I can after surgery, just to let you know how it goes. And, to our new member, chin up!! It's different for all of us, and kind of like a crap shoot. We just muddle forward. :-p

~~ Diane

05/24/2014 14:11
pia2some 
05/24/2014 14:11
pia2some 
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I had Xiaflex on my ring finger of my right hand about two years ago. Last fall, I had open surgery on that same hand and it involved palm, pinky, ring and middle finger. For me, there was no complications from the previous Xiaflex. Just my experience ...

~ dawn

05/24/2014 15:00
econn 
05/24/2014 15:00
econn 
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pia2some:
I had Xiaflex on my ring finger of my right hand about two years ago. Last fall, I had open surgery on that same hand and it involved palm, pinky, ring and middle finger. For me, there was no complications from the previous Xiaflex. Just my experience ...

~ dawn

Do you consider the Xiaflex NA to have been a failure? If so, was it due to the Xiaflex or the way the NA was performed? I am going to be seeing a plastic surgeon who specializes in both hand surgery and NA to see if either procedure makes sense for my situation. I'll post my thoughts/decisions in a few weeks.

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