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Nodules on my palm developing after wrist strain: is it Dupuytren?
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01/08/2015 21:25
anvi123 
01/08/2015 21:25
anvi123 
Nodules on my palm developing after wrist strain: is it Dupuytren?

I'm 59, four months ago I fell on a hard surface on the palm of my right hand, with the hand outstreched. I had a wrist strain which is slowly healing, but the main probem now is with my 4th and 5th fingers: since the fall they slowly began to become stiff, now I can't touch the palm of my hand with them and the tendons are swollen, both on the fingers and on the hand palm area (on the palm there are also small lumps / nodules aling the tendons, they started very small but now the largest one is the size of a pea).
The problem is more evident in the morning when I wake up, the fingers can hardly move and there is an acute pain when I try to flex them, then it becomes a little better with warm water. I tried antinflammatory drugs, Arnica and stretching exercises, but I haven't seen any improvements so far.
I had a MR exam two months ago and I went to see two hand doctors, who told me I have tendonitis and gave me prescriptions for antinflammatory drugs, but the situation has only got worse since then.
Looking for information online I found that my symptoms are associated with a disocuraging range of diseases, from generic tendonitis/tenosynovitis to more exotic things like Guyon's canal syndrome, Dupuytren's disease, Lyme disease, Fibromyalgia , cubital tunnel syndrome, trigger finger, nodular stenosis tendinosis, Rheumatoid Arthritis and Lupus.
Since I definitely have these lumps on my palm that are growing I think I might have Dupuytren's disease, of course I can't make a diagnosis by myself but since I already saw two hand specialists I'm afraid that there are many doctors who can't malke it either, so if possible I would like to learn what is the process that an experienced doctor follows to differentiate between DD and other conditions with similar symptoms.
If it is Dupuytren, I read that it is very important to take action (Radiotherapy) in the early phases, so I want to move quickly.
Any help or suggestion would be greaty appreciated, this is my right hand and it's essential for many daily activities

01/08/2015 22:01
spanishbuddha 

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01/08/2015 22:01
spanishbuddha 

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Re: Nodules on my palm developing after wrist strain: is it Dupuytren?

Hi anvi and welcome to our forum

Making a diagnosis via the internet is fraught with difficulties, and IANAD. There are a few possible reasons for lumps in the hand, and also reasons for stiffness. The lumps could be DD nodules, and it is quite commonly reported for DD nodules to occur after an injury.

My own experience is that it takes an experienced hand physician, experienced in dealing with a lot of Dupuytren's to make a diagnosis in cases that are not so straightforward. The technique is, just like in the movies/TV, a differential diagnosis that excludes some possibilities, possibly via tests, definitely via palpation, possibly ultrasound or MRI and a hefty dose of experience.

Perhaps you have more than one condition, something lingering from the wrist injury and early signs of DD.

I would take regular, maybe weekly in your case, photos and notes of the changes in your hand and seek the best physician you can with that info. Since RT is the only useful treatment for early DD, and you seem inclined to consider that if needed, also investigate that as an option, so you are ready if you get the diagnosis confirmed as DD

Post a photo here if you wish, but as I say diagnosis by internet from us is really meaningless.

Best wishes

SB

01/09/2015 10:26
anvi123 
01/09/2015 10:26
anvi123 
Re: Nodules on my palm developing after wrist strain: is it Dupuytren?

Thank you, your reply contains very useful information.
Now my challenge is to find a doctor who has real experience diagnosing Dupuytren here in Milan (Italy), where I live.
I'm attaching a photo where I have marked the nodules, in the picture they are not very visible but looking at my hand they are.

Andrea

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01/09/2015 10:58
wach 

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01/09/2015 10:58
wach 

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Re: Nodules on my palm developing after wrist strain: is it Dupuytren?

Hi Andrea,

you might consider Prof. Giorgio Pajardi of the Centro Studi Mano http://www.centrostudimano.it/PAJARDI.html. He is a recognized hand surgeon, an expert in Dupuytren disease and currently in the process of starting the Italian Dupuytren Society.

Wolfgang

anvi123:
Thank you, your reply contains very useful information.
Now my challenge is to find a doctor who has real experience diagnosing Dupuytren here in Milan (Italy), where I live.
I'm attaching a photo where I have marked the nodules, in the picture they are not very visible but looking at my hand they are.

Andrea

01/11/2015 19:07
anvi123 
01/11/2015 19:07
anvi123 
Re: Nodules on my palm developing after wrist strain: is it Dupuytren?

Thank you, I already knew Dr. Pajardi and I'm trying to get an appointment with him. The price of a visit is not cheap, but at this point I'm scared enough to pay what it takes

01/14/2015 19:21
anvi123 
01/14/2015 19:21
anvi123 
Re: Nodules on my palm developing after wrist strain: is it Dupuytren?

Today I was seen by Dr. Paolo Cortese, who works in the team of Dr. Pajardi in Milan. The visit went very well, for the first time I found someone who could immediately identify my symptoms and translate them into an accurate diagnosis, in addition to being very kind and caring about my personal opinions.

Dr. Cortese confirmed that I have Dupuytren's disease, in addition to chronic tendonitis and a rupture of a wrist ligament.
Since my DD is still at an early stage my intention was to try radiotherapy, but Dr. Cortese opinion was that my best option would be to wait until I got some contraction and then go with collagenase injections (I discovered that apparently radiotherapy is almost unknown in Italy as a treatment for DD).

Now I'm a little confused, since I had already my mind set on radiotherapy but I got a negative opinion from a doctor that I really trust... any comments/suggestions are welcome!

01/14/2015 20:00
spanishbuddha 

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01/14/2015 20:00
spanishbuddha 

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Re: Nodules on my palm developing after wrist strain: is it Dupuytren?

I would suggest you wait a while and follow my original advice of keeping a photo log. Maybe you will not develop a contracture, ever, or for quite a while, and so have time to consider the options. However if the condition seems to be moving along quite quickly, then RT still remains the only option to slow or arrest it, and while NA or Colleganase might straighten a contracture it will not stop progression or prevent recurrence. It's a choice to be made, and maybe it would help to consult with someone who does treat DD with RT? So either way investigating who might do RT for you is something to do, even if you don't eventually need or have it done.

01/15/2015 17:37
Christl 
01/15/2015 17:37
Christl 

Re: Nodules on my palm developing after wrist strain: is it Dupuytren?

My Dupuytren in both hands and Ledderhose in both feet was activated by a cycling accident. I also hurt my wrist and 6 month later I noticed my ring finger on the right hand was pulled down. I had a small bump on the right hand under the ring finger for many years, but it was just there, after the accident DD was activated.
Both hands and feet were treated with RT. So far so good.

Christl

01/15/2015 22:03
anvi123 
01/15/2015 22:03
anvi123 
Re: Nodules on my palm developing after wrist strain: is it Dupuytren?

Hi Christl, so with RT you were able to stop the disease, that's good to hear!
I'm starting to look around here in Italy, but it really looks like RT for Dupuytren is totally unknown here and considered dangerous because of its possible side effects.
I wonder how this is possible, I live in Milan which is not far from Germany and Austria where RT is considered a normal practice.

01/15/2015 22:53
Stefan_K. 
01/15/2015 22:53
Stefan_K. 

Re: Nodules on my palm developing after wrist strain: is it Dupuytren?

anvi123:
I'm starting to look around here in Italy, but it really looks like RT for Dupuytren is totally unknown here and considered dangerous because of its possible side effects.
I wonder how this is possible, I live in Milan which is not far from Germany and Austria where RT is considered a normal practice.

Hi. I live in Paris where the desease got its name, where NA was developed and where some of the most experienced experts have been treating it for a long time. I consider the doctor who performed my NA skillfully to my complete satisfaction four months ago competent, and yet I am still working on convincing him (with data from this forum) that radiation treatment can be effective in certain cases and stages of DD. On the other hand, it is not so much a question of whether it is a normal practice, but if indeed the scientific data is now solid enough to justify using RT for DD, and under which exact conditions.

Edited 01/16/15 00:54

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