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06/16/2016 05:23
RavenCarlson

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06/16/2016 05:23
RavenCarlson

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Re: Pain with surgery

At age 30 I had an injury I had two boxers fractures. It was then that my tendons begin to contract so I saw a couple of doctors, my surgeon this time was one that I had seen and I didn't go with him, so in the beginning the tendons Contracting in my fingers or associated with the hand injury had surgery which from that point on the contracture got worse. Two months ago out of nowhere I got a huge lump in the palm of my hand and where I'm at the clinic I go to I could only go to one, Dr which happened to be one I had seen previous. He never suspected it then but as soon as I Googled it and saw the picture that's exactly what my hand looks like minus no nodules . prior to my first surgery I did injections into the tendons into my fingers and still no diagnosis of dupuytren's. I won't know everything until my appointment Monday but when they did this surgery I have a deformity in my tendon which is the one they surgically went in and messed with the first time. And yes I am a smoker and have been a smoker for a long time.

06/16/2016 05:51
wach 

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06/16/2016 05:51
wach 

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Re: Pain with surgery

On an average smoking causes an onset of about 7 years earlier, so your early disease might in part be caused by smoking. The prior surgery might have been an additional trigger.

Stop smoking, it's a waste of health and money.

Wolfgang

Edited 06/16/16 08:52

06/16/2016 07:16
Stefan_K. 
06/16/2016 07:16
Stefan_K. 

Re: Pain with surgery

wach:
On an average smoking causes an onset of about 7 years earlier, so your early disease might in part be caused by smoking. The prior surgery might have been an additional trigger.

Stop smoking, it's a waste of health and money.

Wolfgang
I agree with the assessment of smoking on health in general and a correlation with DD in particular, however it would probably be more prudent to phrase it something like "On average the onset of DD occurs 7 years earlier for smokers". Simply because the actual cause/effect process may not be established. There are a lot of other factors which differ between smokers and non-smokers statistically. Smokers tend to lead less healthy lives in general such as less exercise as less healthy nutrition, and in my view all of these can play a role in the onset and possibly also the severity of DD. Quitting tobacco is definitely a good start, but the full positive impact will be reached when accompanied by additional positive changes in life style.

Stef

[54 year-old male, DD diagnosis 2006, RH contracture and NA/PNF 2014, RT 2015, wearing night splint glove]

Edited 06/16/16 10:18

06/16/2016 07:53
RavenCarlson

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06/16/2016 07:53
RavenCarlson

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Re: Pain with surgery

I appreciate the advice and if I make it through testifying Friday in the murder trial of my best friend with any sanity left I'll take your stop smoking advice under real consideration

06/16/2016 07:54
RavenCarlson

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06/16/2016 07:54
RavenCarlson

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Re: Pain with surgery

Sorry I joined your forum

06/16/2016 12:16
spanishbuddha 

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06/16/2016 12:16
spanishbuddha 

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Re: Pain with surgery

! We are really all trying to help ! Sometimes the best advice is hard to hear.

From re-reading your posts it's not clear if you had surgery for Dupuytren's Contracture or something else; and despite your own noticing apparent nodules, it's also not clear if you have had a diagnosis of DD. There can be lots of reasons for swellings, stiff tendons, fingers bent, etc. You need to make best use of your follow up appointment on Monday 20th to clarify these things.

RavenCarlson:
Sorry I joined your forum

06/17/2016 10:52
newman 
06/17/2016 10:52
newman 

Re: Pain with surgery

Stefan_K.:
wach:
On an average smoking causes an onset of about 7 years earlier, so your early disease might in part be caused by smoking. The prior surgery might have been an additional trigger.

Stop smoking, it's a waste of health and money.

Wolfgang
I agree with the assessment of smoking on health in general and a correlation with DD in particular, however it would probably be more prudent to phrase it something like "On average the onset of DD occurs 7 years earlier for smokers". Simply because the actual cause/effect process may not be established. There are a lot of other factors which differ between smokers and non-smokers statistically. Smokers tend to lead less healthy lives in general such as less exercise as less healthy nutrition, and in my view all of these can play a role in the onset and possibly also the severity of DD. Quitting tobacco is definitely a good start, but the full positive impact will be reached when accompanied by additional positive changes in life style.

Stef

[54 year-old male, DD diagnosis 2006, RH contracture and NA/PNF 2014, RT 2015, wearing night splint glove]
I think you touched a raw nerve. Smokers do not want to read this information. In Australia the Government will increase the price 15% per year so in 2020 a packet of cigs will cost $40 Au in an effort to reduce the cost on the health system. In America smoking has been 'out' since 2000.Australia introduced plain packaging a few years back with France and England considering the same option. Unfortunately Drugs and Alcohol are a bigger problem.

06/20/2016 15:47
bstenman 
06/20/2016 15:47
bstenman 
Re: Pain with surgery

It is wrong to toss out statistics that are fictions. When the data, if available, is for a very small population group then it is not going to be reliable for that cohort. One needs to find 50 or more non-smoking males in their 50's with Dupuytrens and compare them to 50 men in their 50's who are heavy smokers with Dupuytren's and be able to know accurately when the disease started its progression and not when the disease had progressed to a final state that affected use of the hands.

Tobacco as used to excess is detrimental to ones health but also very profitable for major corporations which is why it is still legal to produce and market and sell to each new generation of children around the world. Government officials that allow distribution and sales and then collect taxes on tobacco products are equally culpable and not sincere in their concerns about the health of the people.

With respect to surgery for Dupuytens it is unfortunate that there are many hand surgeons who choose to perform a fasciectomy with all the risks and long rehabilitation time involved as the doctors get paid 3 times as much as they make for a Xiaflex or NA procedure, and the time required is the same for all three procedures. I saw a noted hand surgeon in my area who also taught at Stanford Medical in California and he provided inaccurate information as to the risks with a fasciectomy and with the risks involved with NA (which he did not know how to do). The greatest risk is from having the blood supply to the hand cut off during the surgery as a tourniquet is used and this does do damage to the hand.

When I asked the surgeon about the physical therapy required after surgery and how long the rehabilitation would take he said he did not know and to go ask a physical therapist. I believe his cavalier attitude is typical of surgeons who once you are off the operating table you become simply an accounting concern for the billing department.

06/20/2016 16:51
wach 

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06/20/2016 16:51
wach 

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Re: Pain with surgery

Hi Bruce,

the statement that I made with regard to smoking is based on our recent patient survey http://www.dupuytren-online.info/patient_survey.html where more than 2,200 patients participated. For evaluating the effect of smoking onto the age of onset of Dupuytren disease we had included 206 smokers and 1,859 non-smokers.

Wolfgang

06/20/2016 21:50
moondanc 
06/20/2016 21:50
moondanc 
Re: Pain with surgery

bstenman:

With respect to surgery for Dupuytens it is unfortunate that there are many hand surgeons who choose to perform a fasciectomy with all the risks and long rehabilitation time involved as the doctors get paid 3 times as much as they make for a Xiaflex or NA procedure, and the time required is the same for all three procedures. I saw a noted hand surgeon in my area who also taught at Stanford Medical in California and he provided inaccurate information as to the risks with a fasciectomy and with the risks involved with NA (which he did not know how to do). The greatest risk is from having the blood supply to the hand cut off during the surgery as a tourniquet is used and this does do damage to the hand.

When I asked the surgeon about the physical therapy required after surgery and how long the rehabilitation would take he said he did not know and to go ask a physical therapist. I believe his cavalier attitude is typical of surgeons who once you are off the operating table you become simply an accounting concern for the billing department.

I would disagree with you a bit about the time it takes for Xiaflex vs NA although if you take the NA return visit into account perhaps it's the same. I've had three different surgeons perform NA and no one took as long or did a better job than Charlie Eaton--since retired. My last surgeon acted like he weas trying to set a speed record for NA and probably only did about 1/3 of the needle insertions as Dr. Eaton did.

W/regard to Stanford-- I participated in the Xiaflex trials there and I was aghast at the surgeon's there. I had to go to the PT department for a splint after and it was quite interesting to see what the PT department said about the surgeons--not very complimentary.

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