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Recent RT in Hamburg - Prof. Seegenschmiedt
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02/24/2011 15:30
MichaelWinzkowski 
02/24/2011 15:30
MichaelWinzkowski 
Recent RT in Hamburg - Prof. Seegenschmiedt

This may be important for all patients seeking RT -

After a visit to a radiologist in the Tampa area who had started treating MD last year, I received a treatment proposal and cost for both hands totalling almost $12,000 - Since my private insurance would not cover the treatment initially, I had to consult professionals in Germany that are believed to have the most experience with MD and a wealth of successful treatment cases.

I wound up with Professor Dr. Seegenschmiedt in Hamburg who examined both hands and also my feet very thoroughly and proposed a treatment plan. I also consulted with Dr.med. Kuehlein in Munich to get a medical opinion from the surgery side of the spectrum. Both physicians rendered their opinions and view point with respect to my MD affliction and stage (I have early stage MD in one hand and advanced stage in the other hand) and what was recommended as best treatment option. The collective statements and medical opinion rendered by both physicians convinced the insurance and they consented to cover the RT procedure.

I underwent my first session in Hamburg in Feb. 2011 with the follow up session scheduled in May 2011. I observed no side effects and received first class treatment from the entire team at the Strahlenzentrum Hamburg.

Important: The extremely thorough examination and palpation of my hands as performed by Prof. Seegenschmiedt revealed a much larger area of affected tissue in both hands which lead to a much larger RT target area (approximately three times the size in the R/H and two times the size in the L/H) as originally planned by the Tampa radiologist. A beginning Morbus Ledderhose was also discovered in my right foot (which was not detected by the Tampa Physician). This is rather critical and patients should be aware that without a thorough palpation done by a knowledgeable expert, the RT target area could be insufficient (too small) and active fibroplasts could be missed which in turn reduces the effectiveness of the treatment.
The fact that the RT procedure In Hamburg is much less costly than in the US (approx. 1/5th of the US treatment cost) makes it much more affordable for self-pay patients and it may help to compel hesitant insurance providers to cover the cost. Even if one adds the cost for a commercial ticket to Hamburg and the cost for an inexpensive hotel nearby, it's still much cheaper as in the US and you get probably better and more successful treatment.

I can only encourage patients to look into this option as it makes a lot of sense. Besides, US visitors can explore Hamburg and use the 5 days as a nice opportunity to sample Germany. The daily treatment takes only a few moments out of a day and you can come and go for your daily RT as you please.

It's also noteworthy that the opinion of MD experienced surgeons seem to have changed towards RT and the option to do post RT surgery which could remove some of the hardened cords and knots is entertained by surgeons. In essence, one could consider a combo treatment where RT stops or significantly slows down MD progression and if so desired, a minimally invasive surgery or needle procedure done after RT completion, could reduce some or all of the prevailing restrictions thus achieving the most comprehensive effect for a patient.

I my case, the pain in both hands has subsided already and it appears as that the fibroplast activity has stopped or has slowed down considerably. I'll evaluate the status after the second session and make a decision for follow up surgery or needle procedure in due time. But it looks as that I can very well tolerate the residual knots and may not need to have any additional intervention.

My thanks go to the entire Hamburg team and the excellent care I received

Edited 02/24/11 17:32

02/24/2011 17:50
spanishbuddha 

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02/24/2011 17:50
spanishbuddha 

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Re: Recent RT in Hamburg - Prof. Seegenschmiedt

Thanks for this post. I'm in Hamburg now as I write and agree with everything you have written.

When I look at the costs to me as a visitor from the UK, the cost of Hotel and air fare exceeds the cost of RT. The actual RT cost is very small, but of course there are other professional fees and charges added on. The total is still less than Hotel and air fare, so I wonder where th US charges are coming from - someone's making extra money methinks. The German clinic has a range of different diagnosis and treatment machines, and specialises in the treatment of conditions where they effective, so no doubt the clinic is very efficient, and some charges are proscribed by German laws.

02/24/2011 23:24
MolotoW

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02/24/2011 23:24
MolotoW

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Re: Recent RT in Hamburg - Prof. Seegenschmiedt

THat is an amazing report - full of details and very convincing not only with regard to costs, but also with regard to the person of Prof. Seegenschmiedt - he seems to be very dedicated, thorough and thoughtful in his approach. Has he recently updated his clinical data ? I am now even more convinced to visit HAMBURG and the STRAHLENZENTRUM
to get my first round of treatment ... THX to everybody who shared their experience on this FORUM, THX to Wolfgang!

02/25/2011 01:08
flojo 
02/25/2011 01:08
flojo 
Re: Recent RT in Hamburg - Prof. Seegenschmiedt

Thank you for your detailed report. It is good information for all of us on this Forum. I plan to appeal the denial of payment by Medicare for my 2nd RT at Scripps. If that doesn't work out for me and I need RT again, I'd definitely plan to go to Hamburg and Dr. S.

02/25/2011 16:20
LubaM. 
02/25/2011 16:20
LubaM. 
Re: Recent RT in Hamburg - Prof. Seegenschmiedt

flojo:
Thank you for your detailed report. It is good information for all of us on this Forum. I plan to appeal the denial of payment by Medicare for my 2nd RT at Scripps. If that doesn't work out for me and I need RT again, I'd definitely plan to go to Hamburg and Dr. S.
Flora,
Good luck with the appeal...(I'm mailing you the copies today). I really need RT in my right hand now. One of the nodules on the palm has been really painful the last couple of days (sign of activity?).

I'll wait to see what happens with your appeal to Medicare, before I call Dr. T's office.

02/26/2011 23:04
lauriw 
02/26/2011 23:04
lauriw 
Re: Recent RT in Hamburg - Prof. Seegenschmiedt

How did you go about reacing Dr. S? Did you email or call? Would like to contact him, thanks
LauriW

02/27/2011 10:51
sbid

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02/27/2011 10:51
sbid

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Re: Recent RT in Hamburg - Prof. Seegenschmiedt

lauriw:
How did you go about reacing Dr. S? Did you email or call? Would like to contact him, thanks
LauriW

I used the email contact found on this website: Treatment->Radiotherapy->Clinics.

02/27/2011 18:11
Maddie 
02/27/2011 18:11
Maddie 
Re: Recent RT in Hamburg - Prof. Seegenschmiedt

I contacted Dr. S by email, and he was amazingly responsive -- at least in comparison to what is typical in the U.S.! In fact, we emailed back and forth 4 or 5 times, and he always responded within 24-36 hours, with a detailed response.

I am now scheduled for an appt with him for Monday, 3/14.

09/03/2013 13:02
Jolene 
09/03/2013 13:02
Jolene 
Re: Recent RT in Hamburg - Prof. Seegenschmiedt

MichaelWinzkowski:
This may be important for all patients seeking RT -

After a visit to a radiologist in the Tampa area who had started treating MD last year, I received a treatment proposal and cost for both hands totalling almost $12,000 - Since my private insurance would not cover the treatment initially, I had to consult professionals in Germany that are believed to have the most experience with MD and a wealth of successful treatment cases.

I wound up with Professor Dr. Seegenschmiedt in Hamburg who examined both hands and also my feet very thoroughly and proposed a treatment plan. I also consulted with Dr.med. Kuehlein in Munich to get a medical opinion from the surgery side of the spectrum. Both physicians rendered their opinions and view point with respect to my MD affliction and stage (I have early stage MD in one hand and advanced stage in the other hand) and what was recommended as best treatment option. The collective statements and medical opinion rendered by both physicians convinced the insurance and they consented to cover the RT procedure.

I underwent my first session in Hamburg in Feb. 2011 with the follow up session scheduled in May 2011. I observed no side effects and received first class treatment from the entire team at the Strahlenzentrum Hamburg.

Important: The extremely thorough examination and palpation of my hands as performed by Prof. Seegenschmiedt revealed a much larger area of affected tissue in both hands which lead to a much larger RT target area (approximately three times the size in the R/H and two times the size in the L/H) as originally planned by the Tampa radiologist. A beginning Morbus Ledderhose was also discovered in my right foot (which was not detected by the Tampa Physician). This is rather critical and patients should be aware that without a thorough palpation done by a knowledgeable expert, the RT target area could be insufficient (too small) and active fibroplasts could be missed which in turn reduces the effectiveness of the treatment.
The fact that the RT procedure In Hamburg is much less costly than in the US (approx. 1/5th of the US treatment cost) makes it much more affordable for self-pay patients and it may help to compel hesitant insurance providers to cover the cost. Even if one adds the cost for a commercial ticket to Hamburg and the cost for an inexpensive hotel nearby, it's still much cheaper as in the US and you get probably better and more successful treatment.

I can only encourage patients to look into this option as it makes a lot of sense. Besides, US visitors can explore Hamburg and use the 5 days as a nice opportunity to sample Germany. The daily treatment takes only a few moments out of a day and you can come and go for your daily RT as you please.

It's also noteworthy that the opinion of MD experienced surgeons seem to have changed towards RT and the option to do post RT surgery which could remove some of the hardened cords and knots is entertained by surgeons. In essence, one could consider a combo treatment where RT stops or significantly slows down MD progression and if so desired, a minimally invasive surgery or needle procedure done after RT completion, could reduce some or all of the prevailing restrictions thus achieving the most comprehensive effect for a patient.

I my case, the pain in both hands has subsided already and it appears as that the fibroplast activity has stopped or has slowed down considerably. I'll evaluate the status after the second session and make a decision for follow up surgery or needle procedure in due time. But it looks as that I can very well tolerate the residual knots and may not need to have any additional intervention.

My thanks go to the entire Hamburg team and the excellent care I received

Hello Mike,
what was the name of the doctor in Tampa? I have recently been treated by an oncologist in New Port Richie for ledderhose on left foot. Now I have dupuytren on both hands and ledderhose on right foot. Currently I fly back for the 2nd round Sept 7, 2013

09/03/2013 13:03
Jolene 
09/03/2013 13:03
Jolene 
Re: Recent RT in Hamburg - Prof. Seegenschmiedt

Hello Mike,
what was the name of the doctor in Tampa? I have recently been treated by an oncologist in New Port Richie for ledderhose on left foot. Now I have dupuytren on both hands and ledderhose on right foot. Currently I fly back for the 2nd round Sept 7, 2013

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