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Should I have surgery or leave well alone?
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05/09/2017 13:36
DMars 
05/09/2017 13:36
DMars 
Should I have surgery or leave well alone?

Hi everyone,

I am due to have a palmar fascietomy on the NHS.

I have quite bad DD but in my left hand, but I am luckily right-handed so it does not cause me much trouble and has never been painful. I can still manage perfectly well to hold a glass and carry bags etc.

Basically, I have been reading up on the possible (and almost likely it seems) side effects of the surgery and I am seriously considering cancelling it. If I leave it I know it will continue to develop and it is starting in my right hand too (my father had it in both hands) so at some point surgery may be necessary, but would I be making a mistake in letting it get worse now?

I would really appreciate some advice!

Thanks.

05/09/2017 14:01
Stefan_K. 
05/09/2017 14:01
Stefan_K. 

Re: Should I have surgery or leave well alone?

DMars:
Hi everyone,

I am due to have a palmar fascietomy on the NHS.

I have quite bad DD but in my left hand, but I am luckily right-handed so it does not cause me much trouble and has never been painful. I can still manage perfectly well to hold a glass and carry bags etc.

Basically, I have been reading up on the possible (and almost likely it seems) side effects of the surgery and I am seriously considering cancelling it. If I leave it I know it will continue to develop and it is starting in my right hand too (my father had it in both hands) so at some point surgery may be necessary, but would I be making a mistake in letting it get worse now?

I would really appreciate some advice!

Thanks.
Hello DMars, sorry to hear it is so bad you are considering surgery. In order for us to give useful advice it would help to know what exactly it is you have. Nodules? Cords? Bent fingers? Which? How big, how many/much? As you have read there may be better alternatives than surgery.

05/09/2017 14:11
DMars 
05/09/2017 14:11
DMars 
Re: Should I have surgery or leave well alone?

Hi Stefan,

I have two cords, one from the palm to my middle finger and up to the knuckle and one from my thumb to the middle finger. My middle and 4th fingers are at about 45 degrees. Hope that makes sense!

I can't afford the injections which are not available on the NHS where I am.

05/09/2017 14:35
Stefan_K. 
05/09/2017 14:35
Stefan_K. 

Re: Should I have surgery or leave well alone?

How about nodules? Have you looked into NA/PNF for straightening the bent fingers and discussed this common solution with a doctor?

http://www.dupuytren-online.info/needle_aponeurotomy.html

05/09/2017 14:56
DMars 
05/09/2017 14:56
DMars 
Re: Should I have surgery or leave well alone?

I went to my GP who referred me to a surgeon who, apart from telling me the injections didn't work and that he would not perform them (and that they were not available on the NHS) offered no other option to me - and I am ashamed to say up until now I have not thought to seek any other treatment

The link you provided looks very interesting - I will read up on it. I think I will be cancelling - at least for now - the operation.

Thanks very much for your help Stefan!

05/09/2017 15:19
spanishbuddha 

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05/09/2017 15:19
spanishbuddha 

Administrator

Re: Should I have surgery or leave well alone?

DMars:
Hi Stefan,

I have two cords, one from the palm to my middle finger and up to the knuckle and one from my thumb to the middle finger. My middle and 4th fingers are at about 45 degrees. Hope that makes sense!

I can't afford the injections which are not available on the NHS where I am.
Under NHS rules you can ask for a referral outside your CCG or Trust area. You don't say where you are, and I cannot comment directly on your condition, but I would refer to the clinic listings on the BDS website and research doctors providing NA or Xiapex or surgery, with a view to asking for a referral to them. Surgery is in our opinion to be reserved for those cases where NA or Xiapex is not possible.

05/09/2017 15:45
DMars 
05/09/2017 15:45
DMars 
Re: Should I have surgery or leave well alone?

That is good to know - I will admit I had thought the operation would be a quick, simple procedure which would go a long way to straightening my hand: I didn't ask about alternatives to surgery as I assumed the surgeon considered my hand bad enough to warrant only surgery. I will definitely look for alternatives, especially in my right hand, where the disease is only just starting.
Thanks very much for your help.

07/26/2017 19:01
bstenman 
07/26/2017 19:01
bstenman 
Re: Should I have surgery or leave well alone?

The odds of getting sound accurate information and advice from a medical professional is slim to none when it comes to Dupuytren's in the USA and it sounds like the same is true in the UK.

Fasciectomy is not something one should consider until they have had a combination of Xiaflex and NA performed on the hand. These two procedures are much more effective and longer lasting if done together with Xiaflex injected on the first day and then NA performed the following day.

Fasciectomy entails a 60 to 90 minute procedure where a tourniquet is applied to the arm the entire time. There is frequently nerve and muscle damage as a result of this period with no blood flow to the arm and hand. The damage can often be permanent. In the USA it is rare for surgeons to care about the long term outcome for their patients. I asked two surgeons about the physical therapy needed and duration for full recovery and neither of them had a clue and both lied about the 5-6 percent chance of losing the function of the hand permanently (and these stats are published and available to the public).

Best case with a fascietomy is regaining full use of the hand after a month and more likely it will take several months of physical therapy. Often after 30 days a patient will not be able to squeeze a tennis ball. With Xiaflex and or NA you have immediate use of your hand and it is only recommended to wait 48 hours before bathing or showering or to use plastic gloves while doing so to keep any incisions free from possible infection.

NA entails risk to nerves in the hand and that is why a combination of Xiaflex injections where nerves run and a day later using NA to complete the process is much safer and a great deal more effective and much longer lasting than either procedure alone.

As the Xiaflex works over a 12-hour period the manipulation is going to be the following day at the earliest. While the manipulation is done with a local anesthetic first injected into the hand, having a knowledgeable hand surgeon do the NA at the same time takes only about 15 minutes longer and entails no additional cost for the patient.

Since my last series of Xiaflex injections followed by NA in November of 2013, I have been symptom free now for close to 4 years. I can still lay my treated hand down perfectly flat on a table with no effort which was not the case 4 years after my first NA operation done before Xiaflex was available. With my first NA procedure I had the same level of contracture after 3 years as I had before the NA.

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