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Started RT in Colorado on Monday - Hoping for the Best
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03/03/2011 19:44
tundrawind 
03/03/2011 19:44
tundrawind 
Re: Started RT in Colorado on Monday - Hoping for the Best

Yes, Larry, you are absolutely right. I am an experimental bunny and this is not the absolute BEST way to treat my DD. However, as stated, long distance travel is simply not possible for me now & due to rapidity of DD nodule eruptions in my hand, time is of the essence. I am simply taking the best available local action possible. I agree, it would be ideal if all the RT docs who treat DD could get together, even virtually, and share their knowledge & techniques to ensure the best possible outcome for patients. The expert German doc could produce a video conference with all interested docs to demonstrate proper palpation techniques, cord versus node, how to check feet for LD, decision points on if right time to treat with RT, etc. This would be technically simple & extremely effective.

To update on my treatment, finished up with first 5 consecutive days of RT on left hand (this is my only DD-affected extemity to date). No problems with dry skin or any external changes - only some itchiness and very slight burning sensation at site of radiation after days 4 & 5 of treatment. Staff at Univ of CO Radiation Oncology continue to delight & surprise me with their phenomenal patient care. They even gave my 5th grade son a quick behind the scenes "tour" of the facility.

My insurance coverage is Aetna Open Access HMO. They paid for all of initial visit to Dr. Kavanagh, CAT scan, setup & plan for RT plan (total approximately $4600) with exception of 2 $65 copays (I basically had 2 appts with Dr K so 2 copays). The $4600 is the contracted amount for services between University of CO Hospital & Aetna. Actual amount billed by the hospital was actually about 40% more, then reduced to contracted amount by Aetna when claims were paid. The amount of insurance coverage for the first 5 RT treatments still being hashed out between Aetna & the hospital. Will update when more info becomes available. If your insurance coverage is not so extensive and you are able to travel, definitely makes sense to go to Germany.

I specifically asked what dosage of radiation I would be receiving & it is 2 courses of (5 x 3 Gy) = 30 Gy total.

03/03/2011 19:53
Larry 
03/03/2011 19:53
Larry 
Re: Started RT in Colorado on Monday - Hoping for the Best

... what is the length of the break between the two RT courses ? How will they do the follow-up ?

03/03/2011 20:02
cindy850 
03/03/2011 20:02
cindy850 
Re: Started RT in Colorado on Monday - Hoping for the Best

Thats a good idea getting all these doctors together to swap treatment methods,etc. But i can tell you this much i was one of those bunnies you were talking about. And i don't regret going ahead with my treatments. I feel very lucky that i found a doctor that would consider doing this. He is a very smart, caring doctor that knows what he is doing. These doctors take care of cancer patients that are hoping this doctor will save there life. They know how to use the machines. These doctors also know how to feel around for nodules and cords. I agree this is different than having cancer but at least they are giving us a chance that have DD. If there were not people like me that took that chance to help my hands then there would not be any doctors treating it. I don't mind being a bunny as you call it because in the end i am helping this doctor learn about a horrible disease. And know he can help others. I trust my doctor in every way. Also if i had to do treatments again or if i knew someone with this problem i would be running back to this same doctor again and again. He saved my hands and i hope he can save other peoples hands. I'm not sure what profession you have in medical and don't really know what i think about what you just said. But it sounds like you don't want to be a bunny or as i call it a sucker for experimenting. And thats your opinion. I just think everyone should decide on their on. Take care

03/03/2011 20:29
Larry 
03/03/2011 20:29
Larry 
Re: Started RT in Colorado on Monday - Hoping for the Best

Dear cindy850 ,

thank you for all your efforts to pave the way ... and you deserve admiration for your fighting and ecxploring attitude ! However, if I have to be a "bunny" I would like to be a "lucky bunny" - and "good luck" can be increased by "good experience and knowledge" ... and that's all what I wanted to say about myself and in care for others!

I am very grateful to WOLFGANG who is an example of a person who is not seeking experiments but experience for the best service to all of us who suffer from this dreadful disease! His work is going beyond the "bunny stage"!

I honestly wish you the very best and the best caring doctors and with your help even better experienced, Larry

03/03/2011 21:41
lauriw 
03/03/2011 21:41
lauriw 
Re: Started RT in Colorado on Monday - Hoping for the Best

Hi, I am still figthing with BCBS but have decided to proceed with my RT in Des Moines, IA while I continue the fight. I will give my doctor a downpayment, and if we do not win, I will pay for my therapy out of pocket. They assure me that they will give me the reduced insurance price. My brother-in-law is a lawyer and I plan to go legal on this when and if I have to. Germany is not a good option for me, I own a small business and going abroad twice would be a hardship for my livelyhood. I also like the idea of my doctor being 20 minutes away should there be any complications down the road. I am willing to help train another radiologist in this county, we have to do the groundwork to make RT accessable and the standard protocol for those who need and want the treatment. I hope to have CAT scans next week for both hands and start treatment the following week. I am so excited to get this treated!
LauriW

03/04/2011 01:02
marjorieb 
03/04/2011 01:02
marjorieb 
Re: Started RT in Colorado on Monday - Hoping for the Best

tundrawind,

I also have AETNA Open Access, so I am very happy to read your information. As much as I want to go to Hamburg, the need to treat four extremities might make it unreasonable.
Was your consult with Dr. Kavanagh very long before the treatment?

Beth

03/04/2011 01:28
marjorieb 
03/04/2011 01:28
marjorieb 
Re: Started RT in Colorado on Monday - Hoping for the Best

Larry:
To Anyone who starts with "unexperienced" radiation therapy doctors

I have learned my lesson well, and being in medicine myself, I can confirm how difficult it is to make the right judgement about "Is this a nodule ?" "Is that a cord ?" "What safety margin should be taken to cover the palpated changes ?"

If the physical examination is WRONG from the beginning, how could the treatment be correct ? I have learned that many doctors - even in GERMANY - don't know to palpate correctly, they forget to palpate the feet as well ! They can't weigh the risk factors and so on ...

I was not willing to be an experimental bunny, as I know that you can treat only ONE TIME and that has to be done properly. I didn't want to get a PATCHWORK treatment ....

In conclusion: I think, doctors who start their experience should have done some practical courses to make them aware of all the variabilities of DD and LD. Why not getting these willing doctors together to let them exchange their skills ??

Larry,

Did you have a bad experience? Just wondering about your 'I have learned my lesson well' comment.
Also, don't you think these doctors share their information with each other? One would certainly hope so. I know that Dr. Seegenschmiedt spoke to the American Society for Surgery of the Hand (which acutally makes one wonder why hand surgeons don't even mention the RT option).
But, I do understand what you are saying. Having been a hand therapist for many years, I can't think that an untrained 'hand' could easily discriminate between tendons, muscles vs. cords and nodes. I think that is what causes me to be more cautious than others.
Where's that magic wans when we need it??

Beth

03/04/2011 07:25
Larry 
03/04/2011 07:25
Larry 
Re: Having learned my lessons - NOT Hoping for the Best !

Being an insider made me more critical about medical skills, more knowledgeable and critical about medical fakes, more sensible about active care for a patient and a strong believer about the necessity to do something correct requires daily practice and ongoing learning ability. INSPECTION and PALPATION and QUESTIONING are skills which have been abondened over the years, as technical issues dominate and are better paid.

In my personal experience with Ledderhose initially and later on with Dupuytren's Disease I had consulted about 8 different "colleagues" (several hand surgeons, orthopedists, physiotherapists, etc.) until I met Prof. Seegenschmiedt in Essen. He was honest from the very first moment, extremely skillful and diligent with regard to examination and wise with his advice. HE detected "early signs" of Dupuytrens in my right hand which I didn't want to believe but he was right as I have now a nodular stage which has been reated recently ... He was also right not to treat my "dormant foot" while the "active foot" after MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) received effective treatment being dormant now.

I would not know, how an unexperienced colleague could have ever all these abilities from the start .... Larry

03/04/2011 12:17
marjorieb 
03/04/2011 12:17
marjorieb 
Re: Started RT in Colorado on Monday - Hoping for the Best

Larry,

you are exactly right that MD's have abandoned the thorough 'hands on' evaluation. The week before my Orthopedic visit and MRI, I went to a rheumatologist. Ledderhose had never crossed my mind. I suspected arthritis was causing pain in both feet. The rheumatologist just looked and said "I see nothing objective". A week later the MRi shows leddderhose and arthritis with join effusions. I'm sure you can guess which MD won't be treating me for arthritis.
I believe PT's and OT's do more thorough physical evaluations.
So, I see your point about the MD's just starting. However, I may have to trust one of them. Maybe I can teach him a little about palpation.

Beth

08/08/2014 16:39
Tracylee 
08/08/2014 16:39
Tracylee 
Re: Started RT in Colorado on Monday - Hoping for the Best

Hello. I know this is an old post, but am writing just in case you still watch. I live north of Denver and want to start RT for DD. Did you have good results from your treatments? Also wondering how you got a referral to Dr. Kavanagh. Would really appreciate any info you could share.
-Tracy

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