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Xiaflex Experience/NYC
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10/02/2010 17:09
jtindell 
10/02/2010 17:09
jtindell 
Xiaflex Experience/NYC

I have been a long time follower of this site and its predecessor--extremely helpful to me. I have dups in both hands, with the right little finger being at 45 degrees--probably eight years with dups. For years my approach has been to monitor as I saw the progress of xiaflex thru the FDA. I had one experience with Dr. Eaton and NA which helped but modestly at best.
This week I experienced Xiaflex and wanted to report on several fronts:
1. Doctor. I saw Eric Balaguer in New York. Young hand surgeon open to Xiaflex and was part of the clinical studies pre FDA. Knowledgeable, experienced, solicitous and otherwise helpful--high marks all around.
2. Insurance. Totally covered as Auxillium is going out of its way to pave the path and working with the doctor's office. A representative of Auxillium was actually present for my two days.
3. First day. The shot was felt for a brief period but not horrible. A few hours later I experienced a lot of pain when my hand took certain otherwise normal rotations. It felt like the cord was trying to break and the pain brought me to my knees. Slept sound that night and there was discoloration to the hand but fairly minimal (happily surprised the doctor).
4. Second day. Saw Dr. Balaguer early in the morning. First had a shot to the hand to reduce pain, much like going to the dentist and same degree of needle discomfort. As for the manipulation of the finger, the process was not long but I was sweating bullets (whether from fear or actual pain, I'm not positive). Finger was straight when I left in a temporary splint--rather shocking after so many years living with dups. This process was probably 20 minutes or so. Rest of the day, no pain.
5. Splint> Immediately went to a therapist for a hard night splint that was made and which I wore last night. No problem and no pain, no issue with sleep.
6. The Day After. No pain, but swelling to hand and knuckles. A little discoloration but minor. Ran a race this morning, no problem. Probably won't be on the tennis court for a week. The hand feels sensitive and obviously swollen. It will take some getting used to with a little finger that is functional.
7. Bottom line--I'm a big supporter of this procedure for the right person and can fully endorse Dr. Balaguer on this procedure, no reservations.
Hope this helps the group.
Jeff

10/04/2010 15:40
rberzle 
10/04/2010 15:40
rberzle 
Re: Xiaflex Experience/NYC

Thanks for sharing your experience.

I have dups in both hands. Right is worse than left.

Pinky and ring finger still functional.

Any advise on when one should consider this procedure?

Does one injection get to both cords or are separate injections needed for each finger?

Will the cords reform?

Since the cords break, I am curious what you hand feels like. Does the existence of the broken cords bother you?

Thanks.

10/04/2010 16:04
jtindell 
10/04/2010 16:04
jtindell 
Re: Xiaflex Experience/NYC

Tough question in terms of timing and it mostly comes down to medical input and your own gut sense. I could have waited longer but felt that I had a better shot now (with 45 degrees) and didn't want to impact lifestyle going forward. Obviously the data on xiaflex is still rather early. Btw, it feels great to type on a keyboard with a functioning pinky.
On cords, I did the one cord and suspect that separate injections may be required for multiple but I'm not the expert. On reforming, the data thus far seems to have a low recurrence rate. Finally, I sensed the breaking but it didn't feel like much and no pain. I have to admit to not looking--left that to the doctor and my wife. If anything, I was startled to see a straight finger. I don't know if there are indeed broken cords there or they were dissolved--I can't notice anything and it doesn't bother me.
Hope this helps.

10/05/2010 01:19
jimh 
10/05/2010 01:19
jimh 
Re: Xiaflex Experience/NYC

It may seem odd but the thing that really bothers me is the astronomical price of these injections. Even if my insurance pays, I feel like I'm participating in something shady. I hope the insurers can batter down the price over time.

10/05/2010 13:13
jtindell 
10/05/2010 13:13
jtindell 
Re: Xiaflex Experience/NYC

Now there is a subject we can agree upon and one which may have a wide audience--I hate dealing with insurance companies, I detest their sanctimonious attitude on "reasonable and customary", and I have never understood why some charges cause a co-pay and others don't. Often a total mystery. But I often see that if I am persistent and continue to write letters to senior management, I can eventually manage a breakthrough.
Back to the point, I will be curious to see the actual amount paid by the insurance company for Xiaflex--somehow I don't think the rack rate will apply.

10/06/2010 23:05
bstenman 
10/06/2010 23:05
bstenman 
Re: Xiaflex Experience/NYC

Cost wise a Xiaflex treatment is less expensive than a fasciectomy and without the 3-12 month recovery or risk of permanent nerve damage. Medical treatment will always cost more in the USA with our corporate controlled government so unless you want to take up residence in Canada or Europe, it is what it is. My XRT in Essen, Germany cost me 400 Euros (about $550 USD at the time) while the second set of treatments in the USA cost me over $8000. I am switching my insurance coverage so it will cover the Xiaflex, as my current Blue Cross policy does not, and as soon as the new policy is in effect I will get the treatment.

10/08/2010 16:37
wach 

Administrator

10/08/2010 16:37
wach 

Administrator

Re: Xiaflex Experience/NYC

The cost relation depends on how many shots of Xiaflex you actually need. It might be more than one. Thereis some hope that the price of Xiaflex will come down eventually, as Dr. Hurst recently expressed on a conference.

Wolfgang

10/09/2010 14:59
jimh 
10/09/2010 14:59
jimh 
Re: Xiaflex Experience/NYC

I currently have 3 contractures on lmy eft hand- one is extensive and severe - that might benefit from Xiaflex. A surgeon could release all 3 in one session, although the recovery would be miserable. Xiaflex, if it worked, would be vastly preferable - but whate woud it cost? How many vials would be required? At current prices I could easily see the cost of Xiaflex treatment matching or exceeding that of a surgery.

A surgeon could almost certainly release the difficult contracture of my thumb, and remove all the bad tissue, although a large incision might be needed. Xiaflex, however, could fail or acheive only a partial release. What then? Will my insurer cheerfully pay for a conventional surgery after a failed Xiaflex treatment?

Of course, if I were convinced Xiaflex could work, I'd choose it over surgery. But I'd feel bad about pressuring my insurer into paying such a sum of money to Auxilium. I understand that they want to recoup 10 years of investment - but perhaps they don't need to do it this quickly.

Edited 10/09/10 18:18

10/14/2010 16:46
dave t

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10/14/2010 16:46
dave t

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Re: Xiaflex Experience/NYC

Hi,

As you know I have posted about my own experience with xiaflex; two injections to address two significant contractures. You can go back and read my posts for detail. I have had very good results with xiaflex and recommend that you think again about it. The procedure is very simple, release for the MP joints was nearly 100%, and I was able to use my hand within 36 hours and played golf seven days later.

My own experience is that xiaflex is better than NA, and seems far preferable to hand surgery and the 6-9 month recovery time. The doc who administered my xiaflex is a prominent hand surgeon. His view on surgery is this: "1/3 of my Dupuytrens patients are happy with the results of surgery; 1/3 are OK and 1/3 or hand surgeries do not heal well". Tough odds.

09/10/2014 14:11
MelioraDockery 
09/10/2014 14:11
MelioraDockery 
Re: Xiaflex Experience/NYC

Thanks for your post. It has given me hope. Some of these posts are so depressing. I think I may be at the same stage of contracture/nodules as you. I'll research the Xiaflex way.

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