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06/26/14 12:46
wach 

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06/26/14 12:46
wach 

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Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

Where did you read about Zinc causing Dupuytren's? I never heard about that and doubt that there is much evidence for this theory. Diets and supplements likely are not of any help with Dupuytren's http://www.dupuytren-online.info/dupuytr...s_research.html . Exceptions might be drinking less alcohol and maybe taking NAC or antioxidants. Because of the side effects of suppplements drinking little or no alcohol is currently the only "diet" that can be recommended for Dupuytren's.

Wolfgang

rayozz:
... I later read that there was a theory that Zinc build up was a potential cause of the contracture, and that we should try and replace the zinc with magnesium. Most people apparently need more Magnesium, checked my diet and I was nowhere near close to the recommended amount. I have been taking magnesium for about 2 months now. Nothing to report, but will continue. Doesn't cost much ...

06/26/14 22:23
juke 
06/26/14 22:23
juke 
Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

wach:
Where did you read about Zinc causing Dupuytren's? I never heard about that and doubt that there is much evidence for this theory. Diets and supplements likely are not of any help with Dupuytren's http://www.dupuytren-online.info/dupuytr...s_research.html . Exceptions might be drinking less alcohol and maybe taking NAC or antioxidants. Because of the side effects of suppplements drinking little or no alcohol is currently the only "diet" that can be recommended for Dupuytren's.

Wolfgang

rayozz:
... I later read that there was a theory that Zinc build up was a potential cause of the contracture, and that we should try and replace the zinc with magnesium. Most people apparently need more Magnesium, checked my diet and I was nowhere near close to the recommended amount. I have been taking magnesium for about 2 months now. Nothing to report, but will continue. Doesn't cost much ...


I can't imagine that too much Zinc is the cause because my son has Dupuytren's. He also has Alopecia (hair loss). The cause of Alopecia is lack of Zinc in the body.

06/27/14 07:18
rayozz 
06/27/14 07:18
rayozz 
Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

wach:
Where did you read about Zinc causing Dupuytren's? I never heard about that and doubt that there is much evidence for this theory. Diets and supplements likely are not of any help with Dupuytren's http://www.dupuytren-online.info/dupuytr...s_research.html . Exceptions might be drinking less alcohol and maybe taking NAC or antioxidants. Because of the side effects of suppplements drinking little or no alcohol is currently the only "diet" that can be recommended for Dupuytren's.

Wolfgang

rayozz:
... I later read that there was a theory that Zinc build up was a potential cause of the contracture, and that we should try and replace the zinc with magnesium. Most people apparently need more Magnesium, checked my diet and I was nowhere near close to the recommended amount. I have been taking magnesium for about 2 months now. Nothing to report, but will continue. Doesn't cost much ...

I read about Zinc at this link: http://dupuytrenfoundation.blogspot.com....inases-and.html

What is interesting, is the post following yours by "Juke", that her son had alopecia and took zinc supplements and now has Dupuytrens. My situation is similar. I had severe alopecia at age 37 (am now 63 years old), and took massive quantities of zinc supplements as a treatment for the alopecia.

If zinc is a possible causative agent, then magnesium is a good idea. Most of us are short of magnesium in our diet, and magnesium is higher in the chemical activity series than zinc is, and therefore could replace excess quantities of zinc in our bodies.

A daily tablet of magnesium is not going to hurt me, may even offer other benefits, so I will stick to it for a while.

Shall keep you informed.

01/06/15 03:35
schrick 
01/06/15 03:35
schrick 

Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

Happy New Year all! Just giving a two year update on the results of this treatment for me. At this point I maintain full extension of my fingers on both hands. The appearance and feel of the nodules in both hands remains the same. I still sometimes experience some discomfort in my left hand but nothing compared to what I experienced in both hands prior to the beginning of my treatment in December 2012. My left hand was far more advanced with the disease than my right when I began treating them. I am convinced at this point, that for at least some people, this treatment will arrest or drastically reduce the advancement of DC. When my left hand bothers me I will sometimes will redo a single treatment on both hands but this is not very frequent. I cannot remember the last time my right hand has bothered me. Perhaps if this treatment is started at the first sign of nodules or the diagnosis of DC, the effect of the disease could be kept to a minimal.

I'll try to give annual updates as to the status of my hands.

Here's hoping that 2015 will treat you all well and that you all find an effective method of dealing with your Dupuytren's.

05/02/15 02:14
vmcalexander 
05/02/15 02:14
vmcalexander 
Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

fitzelder:
2.5 weeks into this therapy. Looks promising - at least for my painful frozen shoulder - I find that quite thrilling, as NOTHING has ever helped that. My forays into acupuncture were (like this laser) very good for pain, but didn't stop me from getting a small new nodule - so, its not as promising with the DD as I had hoped.

So - I move on to lasers! I got my laser on amazon.com - its pricey ($200) - I also got the horse linament there (not pricey). The laser has been incredibly helpful with my stemic fibromyalgia pain - MORE so than the acupuncture, which is thrilling - but how effective it is with my DD remains to be seen. As mentioned, my disease slowly progresses though I still have staved off any sign of contracture. 2 uncles of mine - both 20 years older than me! - got DD at the same time - all 3 of us! They both have developed contractures at this juncture and are progressing much faster than I. But I am female, younger.....so....whose to say.

Thanks again for the post - its been helpful already with my many other ails - we'll see, with DD.


I am interested in the laser and am guessing you cannot put a brand name in the forum but if you could give enough info that I could locate it on Amazon, I would be much appreciative.

12/25/15 20:28
schrick 
12/25/15 20:28
schrick 

Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

Merry Christmas All!
Three years have now passed since I tried this treatment. I have been blessed by my Dupuytrens' being in remission since beginning it. I find that the nodules in both palms remain the same in size and appearance. I can only really see one cord anymore and that is in my left hand ring finger. There is no tightness in it. I rarely experience discomfort in either hand and I don't think that I have treated my hands in over half a year. I used to to be a casual golfer but gave that up roughly 5 years ago, due to the extreme pain I was having back then. This September I was asked if I would play in a tournament where I work, after one member of a foursome was unable to play. I must say that I had no problems whatsoever with my hands and very much enjoyed the round. It took a little to get back in the swing of it but after a few holes I had some good shots along with the many bad ones (lol). Hopefully in this coming year I will get out a few more times.
Anyways I hope that you all have a wonderful New Year and are able to find a suitable means of dealing with your own Dupuytrens.
May His Grace be with you all.
Richard

12/29/15 22:48
Aber01 
12/29/15 22:48
Aber01 
Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

schrick:
Merry Christmas All!
Three years have now passed since I tried this treatment. I have been blessed by my Dupuytrens' being in remission since beginning it. I find that the nodules in both palms remain the same in size and appearance. I can only really see one cord anymore and that is in my left hand ring finger. There is no tightness in it. I rarely experience discomfort in either hand and I don't think that I have treated my hands in over half a year. I used to to be a casual golfer but gave that up roughly 5 years ago, due to the extreme pain I was having back then. This September I was asked if I would play in a tournament where I work, after one member of a foursome was unable to play. I must say that I had no problems whatsoever with my hands and very much enjoyed the round. It took a little to get back in the swing of it but after a few holes I had some good shots along with the many bad ones (lol). Hopefully in this coming year I will get out a few more times.
Anyways I hope that you all have a wonderful New Year and are able to find a suitable means of dealing with your own Dupuytrens.
May His Grace be with you all.
Richard

Richard

Thanks for the update!

I am quite new to the forum and the disease... but have recently tried to catch up with the latest research and trials apart from proven traditional treatments which I might have to look into myself at some point.

The latest research seems to find a lot of common ground between the treatment of rheumatic arthritis (RA) and DD. If you look at my post
http://www.dupuytren-online.info/Forum_E...ford-2_101.html
treating DD with RA medication is exactly what they are planning to do in Oxford, UK.

From that point of view, I have to stress that this is no scientific assessment, there is a reasonable chance that the liniment you use has a positive impact of treating DD symptoms, assuming I looked at the correct liniment.

Axel

12/30/16 19:47
schrick 
12/30/16 19:47
schrick 

Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

Greetings All! I hope you had a wonderful Christmas. I wanted to share with you my annual update. It has now been 4 years since I began using this treatment. I still have complete extension of all my fingers and only have a slight cord showing on my left ring finger. it seems like some of the nodules in my palms have decreased in size but not significantly so. I still get some dull aching in my left palm. When my left palm is aching or when I have wrist pain because of arthritis in my left wrist, I will sometimes treat my wrist and both hands. I'm guessing that I do this once every couple of months or so. I was able to get out golfing again this year but did not experience any problems from that. I would like to wish you all a Happy New Years and I hope that you all find an effective treatment for your own DC.
May God Bless You All,
Richard

02/28/17 21:35
drmcolonna 
02/28/17 21:35
drmcolonna 
Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

wach:
"Laser" is a very broad term used for many products. A laser pointer is quite different to a medical laser and I would be surprised if it did anything good for Dupuytren's.

Wolfgang
schrick:
... I was surprised by the amount your laser cost you but that is great if it is helping you with other things. I just wanted to let others know that the laser I bought wasn't nearly that expensive. I paid somewhere between $10 - $15 dollars and Corrine had told me she got hers at a dollar store. I am pretty sure I spent more on the vitamin E capsules. Altogether I think it may have cost me around $40 for the liniment, vitamin E and the laser pointer. ...


While you are correct, there are some differences. First off, laser pointers, commercial or medical grade have a wavelength of light associated with them that is absorbed in the target tissue. Each wavelength is specific. The 535 probably worked well. There are of course, LED lights with other wavelengths that some call lasers, but aren't. They are just a specific LED light, and they ARE theraputic. In dentistry, they are termed COLD lasers, a company in Toronto makes them. Anyone wants their name, just PM me.

I use a 1064nm Nd:YAG laser in my office for Photobiomodulation (PBM), which is what this it termed in medical terms, on my own right hand. Although I haven't gotten the full bending back, I have almost no pain, and can lay my hand flat. In addition, I use massage therapy 2x week. So far so good. Threre are dentists all over the world, most whom I have trained, that use this wavelength of laser light and can treat this easily in their offices.
Thanks!
Mark

Edited 02/28/17 21:37

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