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Dupuytrens Treatment Flow Chart
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06/30/2012 17:59
alcook101 
06/30/2012 17:59
alcook101 
Dupuytrens Treatment Flow Chart

Hi

I've put together a flow chart of decision routes for dupuytrens, including the main options listed on this website.

http://www.pushpullsigns.com/images/Dupu...tmentRoutes.jpg

Any comments and potential additions / changes welcome. The idea of this is to give a potential patient a quick picture overview of the various options.

Al

Edited 06/30/12 21:00

06/30/2012 19:13
Gary1987 
06/30/2012 19:13
Gary1987 
Re: Dupuytrens Treatment Flow Chart

Good work, looks like you've got quite good coverage there.

Nothing seems to be missing from my knowledge, but I'll think about it. I am sure this will be very useful for lot of Dupuytren's patients.

06/30/2012 21:42
spanishbuddha 

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06/30/2012 21:42
spanishbuddha 

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Re: Dupuytrens Treatment Flow Chart

alcook101:
Hi

I've put together a flow chart of decision routes for dupuytrens, including the main options listed on this website.

http://www.pushpullsigns.com/images/Dupu...tmentRoutes.jpg

Any comments and potential additions / changes welcome. The idea of this is to give a potential patient a quick picture overview of the various options.

Al
Interesting and a good start. At the moment it's too simplistic I think.

For example, can you revise it to accommodate things like:

Early stage options should include do nothing but wait and monitor progress. This might affect the right most path of the chart, and I'd like to see a path just before severe contracture (not deformation) to surgery.

Radiotherapy is only effective on 'active' disease. Not just early stages.

Radiotherapy can also be applied at later stages, after correction of contracture via PNF, Xiapex, Surgery.

The three treatments for later stages that you show are primarily to reduce contracture.

Radiotherapy can be repeated, under specific conditions (perhaps leave that out for now)

If you do make changes I would also change the inputs from the family and trauma to something like symptoms of strange lump or pit in palm or lump on fingers.

The GP diagnosis point is OK but I'd like to see a hand specialist included as well.

Hope this helps? But I suspect another iteration or two might be needed. It's getting late!

07/02/2012 13:09
MerryMom 
07/02/2012 13:09
MerryMom 
Re: Dupuytrens Treatment Flow Chart

Hi Al,

Great that you continue to provide excellent resources for patients! I know your efforts will be incredibly useful for many people.

I've been thinking that I'd like to do something proactive as well. I would like to put together a solid package of material that I can give to my physicians and local radiologists to spread the word. Keep thinking that if all of us send out just a few of these information packets to our area doctors, that maybe we can facilitate the availability of RT in more areas of the US. Would love some guidance and what should be included.

Amy

07/02/2012 14:00
callie 
07/02/2012 14:00
callie 
Re: Dupuytrens Treatment Flow Chart

MerryMom,

I think the problem with RT in the U.S. is with insurance coverage/cost and not the willingness/knowledge of RT providers. RT is considered "experimental" by my company. I think this attitude would be different if RT in the U.S. were less expensive. The RT providers would do RT for Dupuytren's all day long if people/insurance companies would be willing to pay the $10-15,000 they are wanting.

07/02/2012 14:35
MerryMom 
07/02/2012 14:35
MerryMom 
Re: Dupuytrens Treatment Flow Chart

Morning Callie,

I follow the forum closely and know you have had an awful time dealing with your insurance company. I think it is reprehensible that they won't cover your RT. I feel extremely fortunate that I had the opposite experience. My insurance company received the pre-certification request and approved my radiation within hours. It is ridiculous that one company calls the treatment experimental and another finds it the appropriate course of action.

I live in an area between New York City and Yale Hospital. Some of the top doctors are within an hour from my home. Of the three hand surgeons I saw before I decided upon RT, two had NEVER heard of radiation therapy for Dupuytren's. My primary care physician NEVER heard of RT either. My mother's hand surgeon NEVER heard of it RT for DC and wants more information to share with a radiologist colleague. I do think that if more and more doctors become educated, there has to be some positive impact. The more doctors that do RT, the more acceptable a treatment it becomes in the US, and the more likely that the insurance companies will ALL consider radiation totally and completely NON experimental.

This is just my opinion, of course. I would like to see everyone here in the states having the right to choose the best treatment for them without the financial constraints that are now imposed by insurers. Just want to do my tiny part to help. I've been emailing morning news show doctors, talking to family friend's who are in the medical field, and trying to find any way I can to help spread the word. Perhaps I'm wasting my time, but for the slim chance that I'm not, I am willing to put in the effort.

Best regards,
Amy

07/02/2012 15:23
callie 
07/02/2012 15:23
callie 
Re: Dupuytrens Treatment Flow Chart

MerryMom,

Thank you for your comments. I think the only way for wide acceptance of RT for Dupuytren's will be a proactive response from the RT industry/providers. As you suggest, there has been very little from that direction. Many (perhaps most) insurance companies will not be supportive if there is no evidence of success presented by the medical industry. The success is just not documented in the U.S., and the cost seems prohibitive.

Just wondering if your insurance company has any clause about "experimental and investigational" treatment? Those words are what shot down my request and appeal.

Edited 07/03/12 00:59

07/03/2012 12:44
alcook101 
07/03/2012 12:44
alcook101 
Re: Dupuytrens Treatment Flow Chart - version 3rd July 2012

spanishbuddha:
alcook101:
Hi

I've put together a flow chart of decision routes for dupuytrens, including the main options listed on this website.

http://www.pushpullsigns.com/images/Dupu...tmentRoutes.jpg

Any comments and potential additions / changes welcome. The idea of this is to give a potential patient a quick picture overview of the various options.

Al
Interesting and a good start. At the moment it's too simplistic I think.

For example, can you revise it to accommodate things like:

Early stage options should include do nothing but wait and monitor progress. This might affect the right most path of the chart, and I'd like to see a path just before severe contracture (not deformation) to surgery.

Radiotherapy is only effective on 'active' disease. Not just early stages.

Radiotherapy can also be applied at later stages, after correction of contracture via PNF, Xiapex, Surgery.

The three treatments for later stages that you show are primarily to reduce contracture.

Radiotherapy can be repeated, under specific conditions (perhaps leave that out for now)

If you do make changes I would also change the inputs from the family and trauma to something like symptoms of strange lump or pit in palm or lump on fingers.

The GP diagnosis point is OK but I'd like to see a hand specialist included as well.

Hope this helps? But I suspect another iteration or two might be needed. It's getting late!

Dear spanishbuddha

Thanks for the feedback. As you say there might be a few revisions along the way.

I've tried to incorporate your ideas and changes into the updated diagram:

http://www.pushpullsigns.com/images/Dupu...tmentRoutes.jpg

I've incorporated the "Hand Specialist" into one box to avoid more arrows and boxes. I've removed the original couple of boxes and put in the symptoms as you suggested. Also the later contracture stages have put on the right hand side just hand surgery. Where possible I'm trying not to increase the number of boxes, yet keeping a good overview of decisions.

Al

07/03/2012 21:04
Metzie 
07/03/2012 21:04
Metzie 
Re: Dupuytrens Treatment Flow Chart

I clicked on your link, however, the diagram was so small I couldn't read anything it said. Is there some way to enlarge it, or am I not doing something right?

07/03/2012 21:29
alcook101 
07/03/2012 21:29
alcook101 
Re: Dupuytrens Treatment Flow Chart

Metzie:
I clicked on your link, however, the diagram was so small I couldn't read anything it said. Is there some way to enlarge it, or am I not doing something right?

Hi Metzie

The other way to see it - and it shows up larger is to click on:

http://www.pushpullsigns.com/dupuytrensradiotherapy.html

and the diagram is halfway down the page.

Al

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