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Is there any evidence of what we eat /drink effecting the disease of M.D.?
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08/24/2009 20:10
AnneDublin 
08/24/2009 20:10
AnneDublin 
Re: Is there any evidence of what we eat /drink effecting the disease of M.D.?

Hi,

I've cut and pasted this summary of 'Liver energy' function from here, saves me typing it out:) - http://www.acupuncture-services.com/basi...se-medicine.php :
"It is said in Chinese medicine that when energy is flowing smoothly throughout the body, we have no pain or disease. The Liver is the organ that is responsible for ensuring that energy, or Qi (pronounced “chee”), flows smoothly throughout the body – in all organs and in all directions. The function of the Liver of regulating Qi, is extremely important to both our physical and emotional health.

The Liver is the most important organ in the body for storing Blood. By virtue of this function, the Liver plays a huge role in the regulation of the menstrual cycle. When the Liver is working optimally, women will experience regular menstrual cycles with very little discomfort.

The Liver is also responsible for regulating the volume of blood throughout the entire body according to physical activity. When the body is active, blood flows to the tendons and muscles. At night, blood flows back to the Liver. When this function of the Liver is working harmoniously, we have good energy during the day and feel rested and revitalized when we wake in the morning.

The Liver controls the sinews and tendons. A healthy Liver will moisten and nourish these parts of the body that affect our ability to move our joints fluidly. In Chinese medicine, the nails are also considered a by-product of the sinews. Strong, healthy nails are a sign that the Liver blood is plentiful.

The Liver is said to open to the eye. When the Liver is healthy, our eyes are moist and vision is good. The Liver, a yin organ, is paired with the Gallbladder, a yang organ. The Liver has a powerful affect on the digestion because not only does the Liver control the proper functioning of the Stomach and Spleen Qi, but also on the secretion of bile.

Because the Liver oversees the smooth flow of Qi of all the organs in the body, it has been compared to an army general, responsible for planning all of the body's functions. For this reason, Chinese medicine believes that the Liver plays a part in our ability to plan our life and make decisions. Each organ in Chinese medicine is related to a specific emotion. The Liver is related to anger, especially repressed anger or frustration. When the Liver energy is stagnated or rebels upwards, a person is prone to depression or irritability. Ironically, this works both ways. Stress in our lives, leading to anger and frustration will be the biggest factor in causing a Liver imbalance."

So in a nutshell Liver energy is related to the free flow of all energy, stores blood, nourishes the eyes, the tendons and tissue, and is intrinsically related to emotional equilibrium, being seem most as proneness to irritability,frustration and/or anger on imbalance. I've gone with the T.C.M explanation as that's my area of expertise- hope it helps

08/25/2009 15:29
jak352 
08/25/2009 15:29
jak352 
Re: Is there any evidence of what we eat /drink effecting the disease of M.D.?

I also believe diet is very important. My advice is avoid dairy.

I drank a little more than I should in my student days and but I actually gave it up and haven't touched a drop since I was 23.

I first saw signs of Dupuytren's when I was 24 and I am now 33. My little finger has lost 10 degrees of movement so far. I reckon that my disease was not getting any worse during a few years when I was having no eggs or dairy. I made an effort a year or so ago to have milk every day and an occassional egg (to get more calcium) and it has been getting worse recently. I'm going to stop all dairy now and see what happens.

Obviously taking exercise, avoiding excessive alcohol and having a low fat diet in general can't hurt either!

I thought of this after reading about Bosnia where the Muslim population is genetically very similar to the other populations there but suffered much less from Dupuytren's:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/article...bmedid=15050031

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...vo-1462170.html

Apparently the Muslims there didn't get much in the way of meat, milk, dairy products and eggs.

08/25/2009 16:07
wach 

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08/25/2009 16:07
wach 

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Re: Is there any evidence of what we eat /drink effecting the disease of M.D.?

The authors of this study don't indicate milk or dairy products as potential cause for differences between muslims and christians but cautiously state
"It is possible that this is a spurious finding, particularly as no such difference was found among women, but it may also be due to some, as yet undetermined, difference in social factors."

It is yet unknown where this difference comes from, provided that it is not just an artefact anyway.

Wolfgang

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I thought of this after reading about Bosnia where the Muslim population is genetically very similar to the other populations there but suffered much less from Dupuytren's:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/article...bmedid=15050031

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Apparently the Muslims there didn't get much in the way of meat, milk, dairy products and eggs.




Edited 08/25/09 19:07

08/25/2009 23:58
jurate

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08/25/2009 23:58
jurate

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Re: Is there any evidence of what we eat /drink effecting the disease of M.D.?

I eat a fairly low fat diet, with lots of fruits vegetables and nonfat dairy products, and an occasional glass of wine.

My little brother is an alcoholic who eats a lot of fried food.

I am slim, he is fairly heavy.

We both have Ledderhose Disease.
With us, it's genetic.

09/28/2009 21:03
AnneDublin 
09/28/2009 21:03
AnneDublin 
Re: Holistic diet/ Google books/ the liver/ Holistic treatment progress

Hi,

I've included a list of foods from a website that help and are problematic from Chinese medicine therapeutic diet perspective.


http://www.eastmountain.ca/8liveryin.pdf

http://www.eastmountain.ca/11liverblood.pdf



I'm still researching ways to add to my multi-holistic method to treat my mum.I've recently discovered google books. It's wonderful. For example I keyed in d.c and acupuncture and got 14 pages of excerpts from published books related specifically to this. As you go further down the pages of course it's less relevant e.g surgery for dupreytons.. but I plan to use it for many keywords, e.g massage therapy and D.C, etc.. so maybe it's something you can use to look up your own personal area of interest...

I did also come across something really interesting in a western med book.. - Liver disease: diagnosis and management - d.c is also more closely liked with alcoholism whta with liver disease.. (it was a very short excerpt so I didn't get anything more than that but interesting the correlation has been noted)..


My mum's started herbs, had her first session of acupuncture and today started her homeopathy remedy (gelsenium for d.p with trembling). She's also cut out mid week tipples and is going to add veg to her diet in soups. The only supplement she's on right now is Royal jelly, (She's on baby aspirin or otherwise I'd be adding Vit e and more EFA's..)

Just an update. I'll also take some photo's so I can record her progress.

Best wishes,

Anne

09/29/2009 05:43
wach 

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09/29/2009 05:43
wach 

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There is no evidence that what we eat /drink is effecting M.D.

Anne, liver disease is not related to Dupuytren's disease. Alcohol may have some negative effect but even for that stduies are contradicting and recent research doesn't find a correlation.

Although there are occasional enthusiastic reports the odds that a diet can help against Dupuytren's are not very good. Diets seem to be good for a lot of things but unfortunately not for curing Dupuytren's though it would be great if they did.

Wolfgang

09/29/2009 07:21
jrc 
09/29/2009 07:21
jrc 
Re: Is there any evidence of what we eat /drink effecting the disease of M.D.?

I was diagnosed with Dupuytrens in early 2008 in my right hand. I read up on the internet and consulted the forum and decided to change my diet to see if that would assist. I had no contracture but was concerned as I was only in my 40s. I cut down on dairy, moved to a lower fat diet, reduced alcohol and cut out red meat and smoked foods such as ham and bacon. I did this as I sometimes noticed a tingling in the right hand when eating some of these foods. Since making these dietary changes I have had no progression whatsover of the DC and no pain. I am very pleased that this has happened but do realise that the DC may be in remission and may flare up again. However, I would suggest that as long as health wise it is suitable that changes in diet are considered. An improvement of health may result anyway, as most of the foods I cut out were not healthy. Just a suggestion and I realise there is no medical evidence to substantiate this, as there is no evidence for most non medical treatments.

The other thing I have done is to avoid vibration to the hands, eg wearing padded gloves when operating mowing or other vibrating equipment and using a padded steering wheel cover in my car. It's worth giving these things a try.

09/29/2009 19:37
Diana 
09/29/2009 19:37
Diana 
Re: Is there any evidence of what we eat /drink effecting the disease of M.D.?

I've been a vegetarian for over 30 years. I eat/drink the equivalent of 2 glasses of non-fat milk per day. I never have drunk alcohol, never smoked, never done drugs, and exercise semi regularly.

I got diagnosed with Dupuytren's at age 52. Both my parents have it. I guess it could be food related but I really doubt it in my case.

Diana



11/10/2009 09:29
Rolf

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11/10/2009 09:29
Rolf

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Re: Is there any evidence of what we eat /drink effecting the disease of M.D.?

It's purely genetic IMO. You will be born with the disease and you will die with the disease. But of course it's always good to eat healthy stuff.

04/23/2012 08:36
John656

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04/23/2012 08:36
John656

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Re: Is there any evidence of what we eat /drink effecting the disease of M.D.?

cindy850:
I hope your still not taking the supplements. Glucosamine and Chrondrointin. What i have read on here and other places it is not good for DD. Feel free to contact me if you need a doctor that will do RT in Missouri.


I find this an interesting statement. Is there any evidence? What are these substances? When I look at the labels they are derived from shellfish. So is this not a contradiction that "diet" has no effect on DC? Just wondering?

I just started having pain and DC like bumps in joints on my fingers and thumbs. Not saying it is DC, but it looks and feels like it, and it is in the fingers just above the other DC lesions. Two things I have been doing that have been absent from my life for 10 years during which DC was in remission are that I have recently started adding fish, squid, shrimp and some shellfish and eggs also to the mostly plant based diet regularly, AND I have used the enzyme inhibitor, Viagra, once or twice a week for a couple of months. Looks like both have done more harm than good. Are both or one of these to blame for the new joint symptoms that to me seem obviously correlated? I discontinued the seafood about a week ago and the pain and lumps are subsiding. So, if the "foods" that comprise the two mentioned joint supplements do affect DC, then why are we so quick to rule out diet generally? Diet is hard to change, and even harder to study, but since we ingest a lot of food it seems like a good place to start any discussion. Of course, it is an emotional issue like politics so it is also a good way to end any discussion. LOL.

Edited 04/23/12 11:51

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