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10/20/2012 21:40
marigail 
10/20/2012 21:40
marigail 
Re: Personal experience

Seph, it's been 10 years or more since the initial onset of the DD in my right hand, and there's been nothing since. The left hand has been different, although only one of the three fingers has taken off---and that's been the pinky. And most of that has been since the xylaflex. If NA works---even if it has to be repeated every couple of years, I'll be happy. I wonder which one of my ancestors got into it with the vikings..............:)

Bentfinger, I am thrilled for you. I hope it stays straight and that the PT keeps it that way. I figure the trials of xylaflex worked for the vast majority....and I hope it keeps your fingers straight!! Congrats!!!!

    10/21/2012 19:58
    moondanc 
    10/21/2012 19:58
    moondanc 
    Re: Personal experience

    marigail:

    Bentfinger, I am thrilled for you. I hope it stays straight and that the PT keeps it that way. I figure the trials of xylaflex worked for the vast majority....and I hope it keeps your fingers straight!! Congrats!!!!
    There's no question that Xiaflex worked fairly well in the trials for the MCP joint (the joint closest to the hands). It was much less successful-- 50%-60%?? not sure-- with the PIP joint--or the knuckle joint. Xiaflex is just a chemical way of "snapping" or "breaking" the cord in the same way that NA does--nothing more, nothing less (in some cases with a skilled surgeon Xiaflex can be used in places inaccessible to NA). It doesn't dissolve or eliminate the entire cord and there's just as much chance of the cord growing back together as with NA. The followup studies from the Xiaflex trials do NOT involve that many patients and the long-term success rate is NOT wonderful and because in many of the patients, Xiaflex was not successful and they went on to try NA--the results can be skewed AND many of the doctors who conducted the trials are consultants to Xiaflex.

    Furthermore, there are reports-- I know at least a dozen people to which this happened--of folks who received Xiaflex and found their disease becoming very aggressive within a year of the injections. I certainly would wait until there are long -term trials of many patients who have received Xiaflex before saying it works and especially that it works any better than NA. Read the trial studies for yourself especially with regard to the PIP joint.

    Moondanc

      10/22/2012 06:01
      wach 

      Administrator

      10/22/2012 06:01
      wach 

      Administrator

      Re: Personal experience

      Thank you for this summary, moondanc! Those interested in the Xiaflex trials and studies find some of it on

      http://www.dupuytren-online.info/dupuytr...literature.html

      Time and trials will tell whether Xiaflex provides a longer recurrence period than NA. In cases where a section of the cord is dissolved Xiaflex might be better than NA, but that's something yet to be proven. Xiaflex also changes the elasticity of the cord and it might be that some of the treated cords don't break but are extended. In those cases recurrence might (!) be faster than with NA but, again, this would need to be researched.

      Wolfgang
      PS: The outmost joint (DIP joint) is rarely affected by Dupuytren's. In their 2002 trial Badalamente, Hurst and Hinz report 1 DIP joint affected in 80 patients.

      moondanc:
      There's no question that Xiaflex worked fairly well in the trials for the MCP joint (the joint closest to the hands). It was much less successful-- 50%-60%?? not sure-- with the PIP joint--or the knuckle joint. Xiaflex is just a chemical way of "snapping" or "breaking" the cord in the same way that NA does--nothing more, nothing less (in some cases with a skilled surgeon Xiaflex can be used in places inaccessible to NA). It doesn't dissolve or eliminate the entire cord and there's just as much chance of the cord growing back together as with NA. The followup studies from the Xiaflex trials do NOT involve that many patients and the long-term success rate is NOT wonderful and because in many of the patients, Xiaflex was not successful and they went on to try NA--the results can be skewed AND many of the doctors who conducted the trials are consultants to Xiaflex.

      Furthermore, there are reports-- I know at least a dozen people to which this happened--of folks who received Xiaflex and found their disease becoming very aggressive within a year of the injections. I certainly would wait until there are long -term trials of many patients who have received Xiaflex before saying it works and especially that it works any better than NA. Read the trial studies for yourself especially with regard to the PIP joint.

      Moondanc

        10/22/2012 16:53
        mobaygirl 
        10/22/2012 16:53
        mobaygirl 
        Re: Personal experience

        UPDATE: I went for physical Therapy today and the therapist said in her opinion it is definitely DD. She also mentioned there may be an issue with carpal tunnel, oh joy. As for the pain she agrees it should not be painful but found my hand and affect area very warm to the touch and saw me flinch during her initial examination of the nodules and the newly forming cord. She acknowledged that yes in my case there is pain and she believes it could be 1 of two things 1) that the nerve was nicked when I was given the cortisone shot or 2) that the forming nodules and thickening of the skin is pressing on the nerve. I was given an ultrasound treatment that she wants me to have 2x a week for the next 4 weeks and have been given a series of exercises to do. I have my 2nd opinion on Wednesday with the Chief of orthopedic hand surgery.

        I am amazed that with ALL the advancements in medicine that there is a medical condition that the standard of treatment is to wait until it is a stage 3 or 4 before any real intervention.

          10/22/2012 17:28
          callie 
          10/22/2012 17:28
          callie 
          Re: Personal experience

          You have been misinformed, or you are misinterpreting what you heard. I have never heard of anyone in the medical field (concerning Dupuytren's) advising to wait "until it is a stage 3 or 4 before any real intervention".

          You said, "I am amazed that with ALL the advancements in medicine that there is a medical condition that the standard of treatment is to wait until it is a stage 3 or 4 before any real intervention.

            10/22/2012 17:50
            mobaygirl 
            10/22/2012 17:50
            mobaygirl 
            Re: Personal experience

            Callie, no I heard correctly and there was no misunderstanding. BOTH my Dr. and PT stated they Will NOT intervene until I have full contracture of my ring finger and pinkie. No RT, No NA, No Xiaflex , No surgery to remove the thickening or nodules. They are only wiling to perform PT which will not stop or slow the advancement.

            I am awaiting a 2nd opinion which I will have on the 24th. If in this second opinion they state the same stance on treatment then I will go outside my HMO for treatment as I fully believe in proactively dealing with health issues.

            Edited 10/22/12 20:58

              10/22/2012 18:37
              flojo 
              10/22/2012 18:37
              flojo 
              Re: Personal experience

              mobaygirl,

              I highly recommend Dr. Keith Denkler in Larkspur, CA, in Marin County which is connected by the Golden Gate Bridge on the west side and the Richmond bridge on the east. It is easy to drive to from Oakland airport or San Francisco airport.

              You can find him listed in the list of doctors and clinics. He is a hand specialist, did only surgeries until he found out about NA. He is very experienced and passionate in studying about DD and treating it.

              If it is reasonable to go to see him, it would be good. If that is not possible, email him with pictures of your hand and description of your symptoms and condition. He will email you back with his thoughts. He's is more than willing to help you as much as he can from a distance even if you to not use him as your doctor.

                10/22/2012 19:11
                Seph 
                10/22/2012 19:11
                Seph 

                Re: Personal experience

                mobaygirl; Seems to me that you need to see a new doctor. Waiting until you have full contracture probably makes sense only if full surgery is the only treatment being considered. Doesn't make sense at all for NA, RT or Xiaflex.

                You need to see someone who is familiar with alternatives to surgery.

                  10/22/2012 19:19
                  mobaygirl 
                  10/22/2012 19:19
                  mobaygirl 
                  Re: Personal experience

                  Thank you so very much for the info Flojo! I will check him out and shoot him an email.

                  Steph, I know it was such an unreasonable and I believe uninformed response from my Dr. I have an appointment on the 24th with the Chief of orthopedic hand surgery. I am praying he will be willing to take a proactive stance on the treatment of DD. I am however prepared to seek treatment outside my HMO if their standard of care is to do NOTHING until I have full contracture of my ring finger and pinkie. I believe from the accounts I have read here and by looking at photos that I am a perfect candidate for RT, which my HMO does not even offer. I am praying for a good appointment with this next doctor.

                    10/22/2012 19:47
                    marigail 
                    10/22/2012 19:47
                    marigail 
                    Re: Personal experience

                    BOTH doctors I went to advised waiting until the contracture was well underway. The first was an ortho who was treating me when I needed my upper arm reconstructed after a car accident in 2000. I then went to a hand specialist who told me the same thing. He was anxious to see what the xylaflex trials brought, and once it was approved, that was the route I took. This same doctor told me my only option now (since the DD has come back in a very aggressive way) was to have surgery. In frustration I turned to this board for help, and as I result I will be seeing Dr. Raskin in NYC a week from this Monday, hopefully for NA. So, Mobaygirl, I believe that many doctors do still practice the idea of waiting. It is sad that trying to be proactive is often thwarted. I do have to say, though, (and I've said this before) the very first sign of DD (back in '01, which may have been brought on by the trauma of the car accident and the subsequent need to rebuild my arm) has not advanced at all, so in this case waiting probably is the way to go. Why try something which may cause the disease to advance more quickly? Certainly is a slippery slope here..........
                    marigail

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