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Decision making - need input
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05/18/2011 04:03
flojo 
05/18/2011 04:03
flojo 
Re: Decision making - need input

Larry/Spanish Buddha,

I had a consultation with Dr. Katerelos because I have nodules that developed on the forefinger of my left hand, the other hand that did not have RT. After the hassle with Medicare not paying and Scripps not bothering to appeal even after I asked, i decided to find another option. I contacted the radiation department at Loma Linda and they were responsive. The nurse I talked with didn't know anything about DD, but she took the information and in about 2 days called me back and said that Dr. Katerelos would be willing to do RT on DD. I scheduled an appointment for a consultation and provided the information he needed - medical notes from Scripps of prior radiation, personal info, etc. Then I went for the consultation and Dr. Katerelos was very prepared. The consultation was not rushed at all and he was very thorough and communicative.

Upon examination of the new nodules of my left hand, he said that he wanted me to come back if and when my hand showed signs of active DD like I had described in my right hand - the crawly, itchy feeling, new nodules, etc. He wanted me to come back with the active symptoms and before contracture.

I asked him about putting his name on this site, but he said maybe to wait until I could report results on my DD. I would encourage anyone who finds Loma Linda a location that would work for you to go to him for a consultation. While the protocol used by Dr. T at Scripps worked for me, I still needed to go back for a second RT in two spots that were just outside the radiated area. Dr. Katerelos found the studies for the 7 days x 3 g protocol showed slightly better results, but most of all, he found one study that did random sampling which he called the "gold standard" of research. I specifically asked about the 5 x3 and another 5 x 3 three months later of the German/Dr. S protocol. He knew about the various protocols and explained his reasoning for going 7 x 3. By all I saw and heard, the man knows what he is talking about, enough so that I have perhaps more confidence in him. RT with Dr. T was effective for me, but you calculate in the lack of support at Scripps in my appeal, that definitely tips the scale in favor of Loma Linda and Dr. Katerelos.

05/18/2011 04:19
flojo 
05/18/2011 04:19
flojo 
Re: Decision making - need input

Callie,

I happen to be "blessed" with nodules and cords. As I understand it, RT does not work for stopping cords that are already essentially scar tissue. RT doesn't work on those. Where I already had cords going on, they have slowly become tighter across my palm and cause cupping of my hand/palm. That is not to say that RT didn't work for me because it did - nodules disappeared, itchy/crawly feeling gone, grip in my hand about as strong as it was before DD weakened my grip, and possibly slower progression (?) of the cords. It has been almost 2 years and I am now at the point that I plan to have Dr. Denkler do NA on the contracture in my palm.

Dr. Denkler discussed Xiaflex for me in the little finger joint that has a nodule and cord just above the metacarpal joint. In that part of the finger, the thinks the enzyme may be safer because of a nerve that is in that specific area. He had done 99 Xiaflex treatments when I talked with him in March, so well over 100 now, I'm sure. He says he still does NA most frequently, followed by Xiaflex much less and surgery least of all treatments.

I'm planning on NA for the multiple cords in my hand, but I will get more input from him about Xiaflex for the one area for sure. He wouldn't do both at the same time anyway, so I'd go back for the Xiaflex later if that's what I decide. My contracture is such that I have time, so I'm not rushing. I do plan to have NA done by him at the end of July since I'll be up in the Bay Area anyway.

05/18/2011 16:32
Mike S

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05/18/2011 16:32
Mike S

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Re: Decision making - need input

Flojo,

Thanks very much for the tip about Loma Linda. Should I ever decide to have R/T, Loma Linda is much more convenient for me than La Jolla, as it's within a more reasonable driving range. Thanks also for your continued posts and general diligence in taking a leadership role fighting this disease (on behalf of "all us followers" out there).

05/18/2011 17:45
LubaM. 
05/18/2011 17:45
LubaM. 
Re: Decision making - need input

@Mike S:
Flojo,

Thanks very much for the tip about Loma Linda. Should I ever decide to have R/T, Loma Linda is much more convenient for me than La Jolla, as it's within a more reasonable driving range. Thanks also for your continued posts and general diligence in taking a leadership role fighting this disease (on behalf of "all us followers" out there).
Hi Flojo (Flora),

I too want to thank you, on behalf of all of us in this area who need RT, for all your effort in finding another place in addition to La Jolla. But, what ever happened with your appeal to Medicare?... and what is the cost for RT in Loma Linda for those of us who have Medicare plus Anthem PPO?

regards,
Luba

05/19/2011 01:58
flojo 
05/19/2011 01:58
flojo 
Re: Decision making - need input

Luba,
Not much to report on yet. Since Scripps wouldn't file an appeal, I have to do it. It was past their stated date that I had to appeal, so I requested an extension for "good cause". They have 60 days to reply to the request for extension, about another 30 days. Since I filed that, I received the letter from Dr. Katerelos that should help, but I talked with Medicare yesterday and was told that sending any additional documentation now would not catch up with what I submitted before. So, I'll see what they say and go from there.
It's a real bummer that Scripps did not do anything on an appeal.
Flora

05/19/2011 04:49
Carol Noel

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05/19/2011 04:49
Carol Noel

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Re: Decision making - need input

Do I understand correctly that RT is not effective on cords?... Not at all?

05/19/2011 19:15
flojo 
05/19/2011 19:15
flojo 
Re: Decision making - need input

Carol,

It is my understanding that RT does not work on cords, but I think some people have posted that it seemed to make the cords less tight. Maybe they will describe their results from RT. I'm not a medical person, but I think cords indicate that part of the disease is past the active stage and being active is critical for RT.
I had cords and nodules at the same time. All I hoped for was to just stop the progression of the disease and stopping the nodules stops them from becoming cords, at least it did for me. A little increased span across my hand from thumb to small finger was a plus that I didn't even hope for. I was glad that the itchy/crawly feelings went away and the nodules significantly reduced in size or disappeared. It was clear to me that DD was no longer active in my hand and the progression from the nodules gone. The preexisting cords have caused cupping in my palm to continue, but not like the rapid progression that was happing before RT.

I look to NA (maybe Xiaflex) to deal with the cords.

Hope this helps. It is hard to describe this disease and what happens because it is so weird. Nobody's hand is like another's and even my own right hand is very different from my left hand. You are doing the right thing by researching and asking questions, but when it comes down to what is best for you, get all the information you can then you alone have to make that decision for treatment.

Flora

05/19/2011 20:41
Carol Noel

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05/19/2011 20:41
Carol Noel

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Re: Decision making - need input

I hear you clearly. I would be on the next plane to have RT as both hands are active, and I am primo for RT....but Kaiser is making me consult with one of their hand surgeons and I can't get an appt. until the end of June.... It is very frustrating!

Yes, even my left and right hands are different. Too bad I was misdiagnosed 5 years ago

05/20/2011 15:34
LubaM. 
05/20/2011 15:34
LubaM. 
Re: Decision making - need input

flojo:
Luba,
Not much to report on yet. Since Scripps wouldn't file an appeal, I have to do it. It was past their stated date that I had to appeal, so I requested an extension for "good cause". They have 60 days to reply to the request for extension, about another 30 days. Since I filed that, I received the letter from Dr. Katerelos that should help, but I talked with Medicare yesterday and was told that sending any additional documentation now would not catch up with what I submitted before. So, I'll see what they say and go from there.
It's a real bummer that Scripps did not do anything on an appeal.
Flora
Flora,
How frustrating that Scripps wasn't helpful...too bad...because I (and you) really liked Dr. T. and his staff...please keep us posted on your appeal with Medicare...
What about Loma Linda...do you know what the cost will be for us there?

I'm happy to report that my left hand (and left foot) are still "holding" after the 2009 RT. I have a few nodules outside the radiated area in the left hand, but they don't seem to be growing... But, I do want to line up somewhere where I could do additional RT when needed..... My pinkie in right hand is still "messed up", but not progressing so far...someday I'll have to think NA or Xiaflex for it...but as long as its not getting worst, I'll leave it alone...

Take care...
Luba

05/20/2011 15:53
Carol Noel

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05/20/2011 15:53
Carol Noel

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Re: Decision making - need input

I found the folks at the Clinic in Palo Alto extremely helpful and easy to work with. Their head nurse called me back a number of times on her dime to answer my questions...

Carol

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