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A Confused Newbie with Questions!
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03/24/2012 23:57
MerryMom 
03/24/2012 23:57
MerryMom 
A Confused Newbie with Questions!

Hello Everyone,

I am hoping for some guidance as I’m feeling overwhelmed and confused. I was diagnosed with Dupuytren’s just three days ago and have spent every minute reading everything I can find. I have gone through much of the forums, which have been very helpful, but also have me unsure as to how I should proceed at this moment.

I had noticed a cord on my hand quite awhile ago. I assumed it was nothing. Two weeks ago I felt a very small bump in my palm and made an appointment with a hand surgeon. (I assumed it was a cyst, as they run in my family.) The surgeon looked at my hand for several seconds, told me I have DC, and that there was nothing I could do until my finger started to bend and then he would operate.

Over the past several days, my lump has grown larger and is sensitive. I am eager to do something as soon as possible if there is a way to slow down the progression. After reading on these forums about RT and about Dr. Seegenschmiedt in Germany, I’m fairly certain that I would like to take such a course of action.

I am confused about whether it is too early to consider travelling to Germany (I am in Connecticut, US) to have RT. If I am in the early stages, do I wait to see whether the DC continues to progress? Can it stay dormant for years? I also don’t understand about the need for DC to be in an “active” phase to have RT. How long does that phase last? It seems I’m active now. I just don’t know what I’m supposed to do next…

Everyone here seems to be so generous with information--what an incredible resource. Truly appreciate any information from those of you with experience!!

Thanks so much!
Amy

03/25/2012 04:09
flojo 
03/25/2012 04:09
flojo 
Re: A Confused Newbie with Questions!

Hi Amy,

Unfortunately, the answer to your questions are that nobody knows for sure what this weird disease is going to do. Yes, it can go dormant. It seems, however, that the active stage can go on for quite a while. My right hand was active for 8-9 months before I had RT. RT did stop the progression in that no more nodules formed in the radiated area and that crawly, itchy feeling stopped. For me, I call that successful.

Now, my left hand has had "activity" for about 8 months. I'm still watching it, but ready to have RT when it seems like the right time. Don't ask how I will know, because I can't know for sure. This hand is active mostly in my forefinger, but also in my thumb. There is a cord going from my thumb and another going across my palm closely following what we call the lifeline and the 2 come together in a point just below forefinger. I also am noticing some whitish "flattened out bubble wrap" type thingies in my palm when I pull all my fingers back to stretch the palm. I just started looking at my hand by stretching the palm and it seems revealing.

I don't think you have to rush right out and get RT, but I know exactly how you feel. I felt the same way. I was petrified that it would become inactive before I could get the RT done. Well, that didn't happen and I feel comfortable watching and waiting on my other hand. Dormant is not what Dupuytren's has in mind for my hands.

Hope this helps some. Come back with any questions.

Oh, welcome to this elite club that none of us want to be a member of.

03/25/2012 05:35
wach 

Administrator

03/25/2012 05:35
wach 

Administrator

Re: A Confused Newbie with Questions!

Hi Amy,

flojo already said the important things (and said them better than I could do), so just one comment on travelling to Germany: some German clinics have long experience in treating Dupuytren's with radiotherapy, they are very good in it, and they are cheaper than the typical US clinic. But the radiotherapy technique itself is not very difficult and there is a variety of US based clinics offering RT of Dupuytren's http://www.dupuytren-online.info/radiotherapy_clinics.html . Ihat I want to say is if at some point of time you need radiotherapy and you health insurance won't pay for it germany is a good option. Also if you want to visit Germany anyway then it might be a good option but you don't have to, there are many clinics in the USA, too.

You digged through lots of forums and I hesitate to recommend reading even more but maybe it would be interesting to also read a few pages of this web site, e.g. (for a start ...)
http://www.dupuytren-online.info/dupuytrens_contracture.html (disease overview)
http://www.dupuytren-online.info/dupuytr..._therapies.html (therapy options and which is best when)
http://www.dupuytren-online.info/radiation_therapy.html (overview of radiotherapy)
http://www.dupuytren-online.info/radioth...de_effects.html (side effects of radiotherapy. RT, as any treatment has side effects and you ought to be aware of them)

And finally, welcome to our forum! This is a great place to find help and connect to people in the same situation as you are.

Wolfgang

03/25/2012 13:04
MerryMom 
03/25/2012 13:04
MerryMom 
Re: A Confused Newbie with Questions!

Thank you, Flojo and Wolfgang! I’m definitely in panic mode, which must be normal for anyone just finding out they have this condition. My nature has me wanting to hop on a plane immediately to do something as soon as possible.

I have a “pulling” feeling in my hand that seems much worse at night. I wonder if it is actually waking me up, or whether I am just so hyper focused on my hand that I can’t sleep and end up focusing on it during the dozens of times I’m waking the past few nights.

If I may ask further…from most of my reading, it seems that most people notice a lump before the cord. In my case, the cord was there well before the lump. Is that normal? Is that pulling/tight feeling supposed to happen at the beginning?

Wolfgang—I did make an appointment to see Dr. Sanfilippo at NYU Medical in New York. The only information I’ve been able to find about him on this site indicated that he discouraged RT for the one forum member. That is why I was so quick to jump to the idea of going to Germany. It also seems that RT has been done in Germany for a much longer time and is performed differently. I will keep my appointment in NY. I’m thinking I will also make an appointment with the NA specialist at the same medical center to just have a more thorough examination of my hand than I got here in Connecticut.

Thank you both for writing back so quickly. I’m definitely freaking out and knowing that there are people out there who I can connect with makes this somewhat less frightening. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate hearing back from you both!

Amy

03/25/2012 17:39
callie 
03/25/2012 17:39
callie 
Re: A Confused Newbie with Questions!

Amy,

Flojo was correct that this is an interesting disease. My right hand was active fifteen years ago and then the disease went totally dormant. Now 15 years later is has become active again with a new nodule and the start of a cord. I am in the process of checking on RT at this time to see how much insurance will pay. If the insurance company will not pay then I will just wait and then have surgery when the fingers contract about 25-40 degrees (which might not ever happen).

Don't get too "freaked out" about this. Many (perhaps most) people go through life with this never developing to a stage that causes many problems. There are many more diseases that are considerably more serious than Dupuytren's.

03/26/2012 11:44
Tusk 
03/26/2012 11:44
Tusk 
Re: A Confused Newbie with Questions!

You may have figured this out already but a hand surgeon or other medical practicioner will not recommend RT for this condition. If you inquire about it, they will most likely be very much against it. You could count the doctors on one hand who might recommend it.

Why? I'm guessing for several reasons which all make sense. They aren't trained that RT is an option, RT is not really accepted by the hand surgeons medical society, outside a small number of issues RT isn't done much for benign problems. RT as a treatment for DD began in Germany and in the big picture there is very little of it done in the USA. It's sorta like NA, it wasn't done in this country until Dr. Eaton learned the technique from a French doctor and brought it to the USA. RT is following, but very slowly here.

03/26/2012 13:15
lori 
03/26/2012 13:15
lori 
Re: A Confused Newbie with Questions!

Hi Amy,

You know when I think back on my decision as to when to have RT, I had no doubt my DD was active. Tingly feelings and pain in my hand kept me up at night Mine did start with a nodule and then a cord became noticable. I took photos of my hand on a weekly basis and could see the changes. I knew it was active. As to when to have RT? I did not want to wait until contracture occured. I could feel the beginning of a tightening in my plam and a slight pulling down of my middle finger. My skin began to pucker between the middle and index finger. Since my hand was changing every week, I did not want to miss the opportunity to have RT. I knew from reading here that RT was best at treating nodules. I felt that if RT did not stop the progression, I could always go to plan B, which was NA or xiaflex.

Treating DD is like learning to swim. You just have to jump in. There are no right or wrong decisions. Every hand is different and DD seem to progress at different rates. I understand the feeling of panic. I felt my hand was out of control, had a life of it's own and I was powerless to stop the changes. What is so difficult is that there is no standard "prescription" for teatment. Each of us has had to look at the research, look at our finances, make a judgement as to: is it acitive, how fast is my hand changing, should I wait or should I treat, is now better than later? Once again, there is no wrong or right decision, the right decision for you is your decision.

From reading other peoples threads that have gone to see Dr. S. (I refer to him as "The wizard" easier than saying his name). Dr. S. found many more nodules in their hands or feet than they could feel.

I found Dr. Crirmaldi who treated mine by calling every oncology and RT center until I found one who would treat DD. It took hours, and weeks for me to find him. He had treated DD in the past and followed the German protocol. If you talk to the doctors who do radiation in your area, you might find someone who can treat DD.

Keep us posted as to your thoughts, and don't hesitate to ask questions. This forum knows I have certainly asked my share.

Lori

03/26/2012 18:53
MerryMom 
03/26/2012 18:53
MerryMom 
Re: A Confused Newbie with Questions!

I am finding you all to be wonderfully helpful. This forum has given me a huge source of comfort and support already. And, Lori, you really hit the nail on the head. This initial feeling is the same I’ve gotten at other times when I’ve felt like I had no control.

I’ve had some other medical things over the years. I found it much easier to find resources and answers as to the exact protocol to follow for those issues. For DD, it is less clear cut, thus making it more difficult to sort out and plan for a course of action. Alas, the reason why this website and forum are so amazing.

My nature is for me to always freak out when something is out of my control. (I grew up in a house where we were taught to turn every problem into a crisis and immediately jump into crisis mode.) Through my 50 years, I haven’t been able to fix that personality flaw. But right now, with some good words and direction from you all, I’m making a plan and moving forward out of panic mode. Over the next three weeks, I have appointments with a NA/hand specialist and a Radiologist. Educating myself is my first step. Like they say--knowledge is power.

Thanks again. I’ll be hanging around this group, so you will be hearing from me again.

Gratefully,
Amy

03/27/2012 02:37
flojo 
03/27/2012 02:37
flojo 
Re: A Confused Newbie with Questions!

Amy,
You wrote:

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Over the next three weeks, I have appointments with a NA/hand specialist and a Radiologist. Educating myself is my first step. Like they say--knowledge is power.

It's not just educating yourself. You're preparing yourself to help educate doctors. Most don't know much about DD, but even if they do, they don't know your hand. Some docs find DD fascinating, I think, because it is so darn weird and every hand is different. I find it maddening but fascinating.

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