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Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?
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09/11/2009 16:55
suzuki

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09/11/2009 16:55
suzuki

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Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

hi newman many thanks for your reply , i am 37 next month. if i can get the treatment i think i will as there are not too many alternatives,

09/11/2009 21:57
moondanc 
09/11/2009 21:57
moondanc 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

Hi Suzuki ,
I'm chiming in to recommend RT. I just finished my 2nd treatment today (after NA a couple months ago) and have 3 more to go using the German protocol of 3 gys for 5 days and possibly another round in 2-3 months if needed. I also have contractures in my other hand and will also do RT on that one once the fingers are released and can lie flat for treatment. At my age-66, according to my radiation oncologist, the risk of cancer in my hand is only 1% and that's after 15-20 years. The risk is a bit greater at a younger age. Best to you,
Diane

Edited 09/12/09 00:57

09/22/2009 23:51
bstenman 
09/22/2009 23:51
bstenman 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

"The key, according to my radiologist, is that it works on active Dupuytren's"

This is pure conjecture and not based on science. When Dupuytren's is evident, through visible cords and contracture, clearly the Dupytren's is "active" and XRT is advised. I have read nothing to indicate that Dupuytren's goes active and then inactive and therefore during this inactive phase XRT will not provide benefits. Or that one can detect Dupuytren's before it is "active" and therefore should wait for it to become "active".

I also would not look to a radiologist, particularly in the USA, for an informed opinion on Dupuytren's. I can only go along with the advice of Dr. Seegenschmiedt that XRT is most effective at the early stages of the disease.

Bruce

09/24/2009 05:29
moondanc 
09/24/2009 05:29
moondanc 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

Quote:



"The key, according to my radiologist, is that it works on active Dupuytren's"

This is pure conjecture and not based on science. When Dupuytren's is evident, through visible cords and contracture, clearly the Dupytren's is "active" and XRT is advised. I have read nothing to indicate that Dupuytren's goes active and then inactive and therefore during this inactive phase XRT will not provide benefits. Or that one can detect Dupuytren's before it is "active" and therefore should wait for it to become "active".

I also would not look to a radiologist, particularly in the USA, for an informed opinion on Dupuytren's. I can only go along with the advice of Dr. Seegenschmiedt that XRT is most effective at the early stages of the disease.

Bruce



My radiologist made that statement based on his research (and a lot of research provided to him by Diana) and based on the work of Dr. Seegenschmiedt. This website also only recommends RT for stages N or N/1

http://www.dupuytren-online.info/dupuytr..._therapies.html

Another link on this website talks about "proliferative" disease and RT:

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:Nev...lient=firefox-a

Even though my disease is at least Stage 1, I decided to take the risk of RT. I've also been puzzled about the definition of "active." I sure wish we could get some double-blind RT studies and more research.

01/05/2012 21:49
Eddie 
01/05/2012 21:49
Eddie 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

I came across this as I was searching the web for this exact topic.

I have suffered with Dupytrens on my feet since I was 20 years old although it wasn't really diagnosed until it hit may hands after I broke my wrists when I was about 40 yrs old. It's only impacting one hand and I too have heard that it's bad to stretch it out as it might make it worse.

Well given that the surgery on my feet wasn't really required coupled with the painful scars it left, I will do anything to avoid surgery. I have considered NA but plan on waiting given my level of contraction.

Right now my ring finger has contracted to the point where I have not been able to get my hand flat and getting it into my pants pocket isn't easy. It has been slowly getting worse even though I work out regularly and in fact I believe the slow progression (5 yrs or so) is a result of me hitting the gym hard.

So to the point. I have started stretching my fingers out by putting my palm on a table and using my body weight to flatten out my hand. When I first did this a few weeks ago it hurt quite a bit and I could only take the pain for about a minute. I kept up with it regardless. After doing it every other day for a few weeks I've noticed two things. First, the puckering of my skin is far less and second the pain level when I do it gets less as each week goes on.

Not sure what this means long term but I plan on doing it every other day and will report back periodically.

To make it easier I'm going to build something that will "clamp" my hand flat so I can do it while I'm watching TV without the need to use my body weight as it's really not comfortable.

I'll keep you posted.

Eddie

01/05/2012 22:20
callie 
01/05/2012 22:20
callie 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

Good luck. Be sure to let us know how it works. From my experience, it will do damage to your hand and increase the activity of Dupuytren's disease, but let us know.

01/05/2012 22:51
Eddie 
01/05/2012 22:51
Eddie 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

callie:
Good luck. Be sure to let us know how it works. From my experience, it will do damage to your hand and increase the activity of Dupuytren's disease, but let us know.

Thanks for the reply. Can you be more specific about your experience? Is it first hand (no pun intended) or something you've read or witnessed? I'm very interested in understanding this to make sure I'm not doing something I may regret so specifics are very important.

Ed

01/06/2012 00:32
moondanc 
01/06/2012 00:32
moondanc 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

Dr. Charles Eaton of the Hand Center in FL and the founder of the Dupuytren Society in the US, the first doctor in the US to do NA believes that stretching is contraindicated and I think there are some citations on his website but I can't find them right now. Dr. Keith Denkler feels that because those who have it in their feet, Ledderhose, don't seem to get worse although I'm not sure how he quantifies this, that stretching doesn't matter.

perhaps you can find the info here-- I know it's there but the search function doesn't bring it up:
http://www.handcenter.org/newfile16.htm

There's also an illustration on Dr. Eaton's website using small round dowels on a table and rolling over them with your hand to help.

Diane

01/06/2012 00:41
callie 
01/06/2012 00:41
callie 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

I have had Dupuytren's in both hands and the arches of my feet for probably 20 years. I had surgery on one hand 10 years ago. The other hand has remained dormant for about 15 years.

Especially in my arches, I have had trouble with the nodules whenever I did anything that was outside of normal activity that would stretch the arch such as going up stairs barefooted.

For my hands I have always felt I was doing damage that seemed to stimulate activity when doing strenuous or repetitive activity. It just seems that stretching or stressing the Dupuytren's disease is stimulative. I have read about many other people with similar feelings. That is why I am interested in your results. I would be very hesitant, but I could be wrong. Hopefully others will chime in.

01/06/2012 01:08
Tusk 
01/06/2012 01:08
Tusk 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

here are Dr. Eaton's comments on stretching
http://dupuytrenfoundation.blogspot.com/...blasts-and.html

I stretch mine with the contraction (push fingers into the palm and hold them) but never against the contraction. Not sure that does anything really but it feels okay and there is no pain.

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