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Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?
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01/06/2012 01:30
moondanc 
01/06/2012 01:30
moondanc 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

callie:
I have had Dupuytren's in both hands and the arches of my feet for probably 20 years. I had surgery on one hand 10 years ago. The other hand has remained dormant for about 15 years.


I don't mean to sound harsh, Callie, but aren't you the person who is always recommending open hand surgery? (if you're not, my apologies in advance). Do you think that helped your other hand become dormant? DD is a disease that is different for everyone-- some have it only in one or two fingers, some in both hands, it's very aggressive in some folks, some need treatment every couple years, others have it go dormant...

One size does not fit all and I and many others prefer the least traumatic solution. Good luck to you on it continuing to remain dormant.

Regards,
Diane

01/06/2012 01:42
Emdoller 
01/06/2012 01:42
Emdoller 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

Eddie here. Somehow I ended up with two different forum ID's.

I'll continue to stretch against the contraction. The problem with any of this is I'm not sure how one would conclude it helps or hurts as each case is different. If mine stays the same how would I know I wouldn't have if I did nothing? All I know is it starting getting worse so I thought trying this couldn't hurt.

I'll report back in a few months.

Eddie

01/06/2012 02:57
callie 
01/06/2012 02:57
callie 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

Diane,

You said, "aren't you the person who is always recommending open hand surgery"?

No, that is a misinterpretation of my thoughts. To be more accurate, I always suggest that surgery is not the "bad act" that many suggest who have never had surgery. I don't think it should always be the last resort, especially by people who have contractures greater than 70-80 degrees. I have personally talked about all of the procedures to many people. I considered NA before I had my surgery. My surgeon (and this was 10 years ago) talked to me about the possibility of signing up for the Stanford trials for Xiaflex (different name at the time).

You asked, "Do you think that helped your other hand become dormant?" I have no idea, but I really doubt that the surgery had any effect on the other hand.

You said, "One size does not fit all and I and many others prefer the least traumatic solution". That is fine. I find it interesting how surgery (fasciectomy) is built up to be so traumatic. There is generally little or no pain involved. My surgeon considered it to be one of the least traumatic surgeries that he does during the course of his practice. We specifically talked about that. Also, people talk about the recovery period (after a fasciectomy) as though a person's life is put on hold for the duration of the recovery. It is generally not the great sacrifice that some people are led to believe. Can some people have problems with surgery? Of course. Similarly, some people can have problems with NA or Xiaflex.

For me, I prefer the best available solution over the "least traumatic". Best available for me includes least chance for recurrence. For some people that is a fasciectomy. For others it could be NA or Xiaflex.

12/03/2012 15:20
mick9 
12/03/2012 15:20
mick9 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

Emdoller:
Eddie here. Somehow I ended up with two different forum ID's.

I'll continue to stretch against the contraction. The problem with any of this is I'm not sure how one would conclude it helps or hurts as each case is different. If mine stays the same how would I know I wouldn't have if I did nothing? All I know is it starting getting worse so I thought trying this couldn't hurt.

I'll report back in a few months.

Eddie

Hi , I had trigger finger surgery on my left (guitar playing) hand in August 2012 . My finger (middle left) was still kind of tight and was triggering a little bit so I decided on physio. My physio used Ultrasound and laser to break up and prevent scar tissue formation. After my 2nd appt , I noticed a small bump under my ring finger on the surgery hand and didnt think much of it. I decided to have my hand surgeon look at it and he just said oh dupuytrens thats nice.

He didnt tell me anything about it and said it has nothing to do with the surgery. He wrote it down on a card and told me to look it up. What he did say though is Stretch stretch and stretch again to prevent it from getting worse.

I have no contracture yet and I am still playing guitar with good flexibility. I only found out about this disease on thursday . But again the reconstructive plastic surgeon said to keep stretching it.
I am pretty freaked out about this and am hoping that it does not progress.

12/03/2012 16:40
callie 
12/03/2012 16:40
callie 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

Don't be "freaked out" about this. You need to consider RT (explained above under "Treatment". There is a window of opportunity for RT and from what you describe, you are probably in that window.

Also, there is controversy about the advice to stretch. Many feel that it can aggravate Dupuytren's and enhance the growth. I believe that if the Dupuytren's is inclined to grow, it will and you are not going to stop it.

There is a wealth of information on this site and great ideas from many people. Learn as much as you can and don't worry too much. Of all of the diseases, Dupuytren's is one of the easier ones to live with. Generally no pain.

12/03/2012 17:22
mick9 
12/03/2012 17:22
mick9 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

callie:
Don't be "freaked out" about this. You need to consider RT (explained above under "Treatment". There is a window of opportunity for RT and from what you describe, you are probably in that window.

Also, there is controversy about the advice to stretch. Many feel that it can aggravate Dupuytren's and enhance the growth. I believe that if the Dupuytren's is inclined to grow, it will and you are not going to stop it.

There is a wealth of information on this site and great ideas from many people. Learn as much as you can and don't worry too much. Of all of the diseases, Dupuytren's is one of the easier ones to live with. Generally no pain.

I have heard that stretching may aggavate it , probably from the same sources , since, there is not alot of new information coming out.

The hand specialist told me to stretch it so that is what i am doing. I dont understand how the disease could curve the fingers inward if you keep that flexibility by stretching it through out the day. Seems like it would never get a chance to form tight cords
Like for example if you supported your fingers in a fixed negative position, they couldnt possible go into a positive state of flexion as long as the force exerted on the fingers was equal to or greater than the opposing force.
I am and have always had extreme flexibility in my fingers , I can almost bend my fingers back to touch the back of my hand.
The specialist is quite young, early to mid thirties, so Im hoping that he may know something . I would assume that he knows much more about the hands than me. I decided on the trigger finger surgery so that I could continue playing guitar, now I wish that I didnt have the surgery. I may never have shown the symptoms of DD. I would rather live with a trigger finger. Now the surgeon wants to put a small amount of cortisone in the surgical site since there is still a bit of immflamation. I may cancel it. I dont want to trigger something else in my body with a cortisone shot, I have seen it cause diabetes in people and pets.

12/03/2012 18:38
callie 
12/03/2012 18:38
callie 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

Good luck. Let us know how it works out for you. I tried the stretching and the "aggravation" just seemed to stimulate the activity. The Dupuytren's cord has nothing to do with the flexibility of the other tissues in your hand that provide flexibility. Your best option is RT at this stage. Your hand therapist probably has zero knowledge of RT.

Edited 12/03/12 22:40

12/03/2012 22:15
moondanc 
12/03/2012 22:15
moondanc 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

In regard to stretching and the recommendations against it you might want to look at the website of the Dupuytren Foundation-- headed by Dr. Charles Eaton who brought NA to the US and who probably knows more and certainly has seen more cases of DD than any doc in the US. Non-passive stretching has been found to *stimulate* the disease.

"Complementary Procedures

Preoperative Stretching programs are different than simply trying to stretch the fingers straight. In the short term, stretching may straighten the fingers, but the long run, stretching alone probably worsens the contracture. . Stretching exercises other than these are not recommended."

That's an excerpt. If you follow the link it gives recommended stretching exercises with photos and links to studies.

http://dupuytrens.org/Complementary-Procedures.html

12/04/2012 14:35
mick9 
12/04/2012 14:35
mick9 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

moondanc:
In regard to stretching and the recommendations against it you might want to look at the website of the Dupuytren Foundation-- headed by Dr. Charles Eaton who brought NA to the US and who probably knows more and certainly has seen more cases of DD than any doc in the US. Non-passive stretching has been found to *stimulate* the disease.

"Complementary Procedures

Preoperative Stretching programs are different than simply trying to stretch the fingers straight. In the short term, stretching may straighten the fingers, but the long run, stretching alone probably worsens the contracture. . Stretching exercises other than these are not recommended."

That's an excerpt. If you follow the link it gives recommended stretching exercises with photos and links to studies.

http://dupuytrens.org/Complementary-Procedures.html

OK thank you for the link. My hand specialist told me to stretch it but also said that it had nothing to do with my trigger finger surgery. I dont believe that. I dont really like this guy and dont trust him. He wants to inject cortisone on Thursday and Im not sure if thats a good idea. I was reading on line about Non D, which is usually triggered by trauma and surgery around 3 months after the incident. Usually isolated to the palm with little to no progression after the nodule and cord grows . Mine seems to be only in the palm sofar. I have no known history in the family in 3 generations anyway. I am convinced that surgery triggered it , plus I am still having low grade inflammation at the surgical scar.
I will try the massaging and stop the serious stretching for now.

12/04/2012 15:35
callie 
12/04/2012 15:35
callie 
Re: Is stretching the hand/fingers of any use?

Your suspicions about your hand surgery triggering activity for Dupuytren's is not unfounded. Many things can trigger Dupuytren's in a person who has an inherent genetic disposition for the disease.

What are the credentials of this "hand specialist"?

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