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06/01/2015 18:45
edgeworth 
06/01/2015 18:45
edgeworth 
another weight lifting thread

I know there's been a few on here, but I decided to create my own instead of bump an old one.

I was diagnosed with Duputryen's maybe like 4 years ago. I'm almost 48 now. I have some lumpy stuff in my palms, and a couple of crooked fingers. After my diagnosis, I did some research, and decided to quit weightlifting altogether, so I started running instead. In fact, I really went all out, and pretty much quit using my hands as much as possible. Like when I'm carrying grocery bags, I get plastic and put them on my wrists. And my wife is very solicitious toward me; she even opens my twist-off beer bottles.

I got worse fast after my diagnosis, and I have one pinky finger that is completely, permanently bent down to my palm. But in the last 2 years, it seems to have stabilized, and I'm really not doing anything for my duputryn's right now (did NA once in a pointer finger 3 years or so ago).

Anyway, I noticed about 6 months ago that my upper body was really etiolated, whereas I once was pretty ripped for a skinny dude. So I started lifting. Got very padded gloves and use mostly machines, so for pushing exercises I have the bar down on the fatty part of the hand just below the palm. For pulling exercises I look for machines with straps, and I pull with the straps around my wrists.

But several weeks ago I decided to start doing stiff legged deadlifts. No straps, just picking up a barbell with gloves. Not super heavy, but I'm picking up a 185 lb barbell. Just once a week, like 3 sets of 6 or 8. And the weird thing is I feel like my hands actually feel better after these sessions. Or maybe I just want to believe that because I enjoy the lift and haven't got to do that lift for several years.

So no question I guess. Just a story. Weightlifting again has been great. Either with or without the deadlifts. Oh, btw, I wouldn't necessarily advise deadlifting for anybody with Duputryens. Just saying it seems to be OK for me right now.

06/01/2015 20:32
spanishbuddha 

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06/01/2015 20:32
spanishbuddha 

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Re: another weight lifting thread

Hi edgeworth

Interesting story. I have a similar one. I have DD in both hands. I play tennis. I first discovered it in my right hand (racquet hand) after a period of lay off due to injury, when I noticed a nodule pressing on the racquet handle on resuming training and playing. I was pretty pi***d about it, as at the time I had DD well established in the left hand. Anyway I bought some tennis gloves and resumed playing no matter, and lo months later that nodule had gone.

I don't know what to make of these anecdotes, they just are.

As a postscript, years later I did get DD developing in the right hand, but strangely not where the original nodule started.

Moral, maybe is carry on doing what you like within reason.

SB

06/02/2015 00:59
Cherise 
06/02/2015 00:59
Cherise 

Re: another weight lifting thread

edgeworth:
I know there's been a few on here, but I decided to create my own instead of bump an old one.

I was diagnosed with Duputryen's maybe like 4 years ago. I'm almost 48 now. I have some lumpy stuff in my palms, and a couple of crooked fingers. After my diagnosis, I did some research, and decided to quit weightlifting altogether, so I started running instead. In fact, I really went all out, and pretty much quit using my hands as much as possible. Like when I'm carrying grocery bags, I get plastic and put them on my wrists. And my wife is very solicitious toward me; she even opens my twist-off beer bottles.

I got worse fast after my diagnosis, and I have one pinky finger that is completely, permanently bent down to my palm. But in the last 2 years, it seems to have stabilized, and I'm really not doing anything for my duputryn's right now (did NA once in a pointer finger 3 years or so ago).

Anyway, I noticed about 6 months ago that my upper body was really etiolated, whereas I once was pretty ripped for a skinny dude. So I started lifting. Got very padded gloves and use mostly machines, so for pushing exercises I have the bar down on the fatty part of the hand just below the palm. For pulling exercises I look for machines with straps, and I pull with the straps around my wrists.

But several weeks ago I decided to start doing stiff legged deadlifts. No straps, just picking up a barbell with gloves. Not super heavy, but I'm picking up a 185 lb barbell. Just once a week, like 3 sets of 6 or 8. And the weird thing is I feel like my hands actually feel better after these sessions. Or maybe I just want to believe that because I enjoy the lift and haven't got to do that lift for several years.

So no question I guess. Just a story. Weightlifting again has been great. Either with or without the deadlifts. Oh, btw, I wouldn't necessarily advise deadlifting for anybody with Duputryens. Just saying it seems to be OK for me right now.

THANKX for sharing your encouraging story. Many here have had many trials and tribulations with DD. and like you I decided to move on with my life and do the things I love to do.

My pinky was at a closed position, 180', for two years after hand surgery caused a flare in all fingers. Then last Feb. went to a specialist who works with DD with Xiaflex injections, a enzyme that dissolves the collagen build up causing the fingers to contract and also the heavy scar tissue build up from surgery was gone.

Xiaflex did open my finger so it doesn't get caught on everything. Life is much easier. However not without the side effects of the Bio drug Xiaflex ...swollen hand, bleeding, open wound from opening the finger, skin brusing, elbow & wrist swelling as well as my lymph glands. I was prepared for the side effects , it was painful and miserable. 4 months later it's just a passing thought how painful it was because my finger is open and makes doing every day things easier.

I wear a spring splint during the day and do exercises for the hand & finger. At night for a year I am to wear a hard splint to keep the finger from reverting back. I don't regret the Xiaflex experience at all. It has its pluses and minuses.

Life has its obstacles it's what we learn from them and move on to a positive place. Your story was very positive. Keep working out its part of who you are, abs and all.....you must be in great shape. Good luck!

Kind Regards,
Cherise

06/02/2015 02:45
Seph 
06/02/2015 02:45
Seph 

Re: another weight lifting thread

Hi edgeworth; I understand how easy it is to associate actions or changes in actions with DD activity but I have doubts about a lot of the associations. For my part I have a pretty consistent routine and have had for 45 years.

These days I do go to the gym more often than I did in younger years as I now have control over my time but from my mid teens on I have always done weight lifting and other gym work and have always played a racquet sport. My point is that despite this constant pressure on my hands my DD and LD activity has been sporadic. I have had both LD and DD for more than 40 years but I have sometimes had constant DD or LD activity and then long periods (sometimes years) with no activity at all.

During 2011-2014 I had NA three times on one hand and twice on the other and with fingers contracting on both hands again in 2014 I was starting planning another round of NA when it suddenly stopped. For the past 12 months the DD in my hands seems to have settled down with only a mild itchy sensation every now and then with no further contraction of my fingers.

Would my DD or LD issues have been less had I not put my hands and feet under constant pressure? I don't think so but even if the answer is yes I think the health benefits of exercise would outweigh the inconvenience and discomfort from LD and DD.

06/03/2015 10:56
edgeworth 
06/03/2015 10:56
edgeworth 
Re: another weight lifting thread

Thanks for the comments. I did see from a previous search of this forum that several folks played tennis. That is one thing that would really hurt my hand. I can't play basketball either. Dribbling the ball or catching a pass is very painful.

And, again, I would not necessarily recommend deadlifting for DD paitents. I will not go any heavier than where I am now, and if I have any pain I will stop. I do think, however, that weightlifting is something that is very important to do, especially for men over 40. And I was very creative at finding a way to do a total body lifting workout that applies very little trauma to the hands.

I haven't been to my hand doc in about 16 months, but I go later this month. I think she will be surprised at how little the DD has progressed. She talked to me about possible surgery to repair my pinky, a thing called a digit widget followed by a surgery to cut out some scar tissue. My pinky does annoy me. I've adjusted well in terms of typing on the computer, but I can't wash my face without it poking me, and I can't really play piano anymore. I very much enjoyed piano for fun, and I suppose I still could with 9 working fingers, but I just never took the time to adapt.

My two pointer fingers are slightly bent, so probably what I'll ask her about this year is NA on one or both of those. She also wanted to try xiaflex on my pinky, but from what I read, xiaflex would be a waste of time and money on a finger that is bent as badly as my pinky.

I'm not as convinced as some on this board that diet really matters all that much. I have a pretty healthy diet anyway. I did cut way back (almost entirely) on caffeine. But I have 1.5 or 2 glasses of red wine every night, before and during dinner. Never more than that. But I love tasting and smelling wine, and giving that up is a deal breaker for me.

Great forum, I've lurked quite a bit, but never posted before this.

06/03/2015 18:33
Cherise 
06/03/2015 18:33
Cherise 

Re: another weight lifting thread

Nothing wrong with lurking,

Since you have, you may be familiar with my story. I am not recommending anything . This is my experience with DD.

3 years ago slight curve in pinky. After 20 years of nodes in my palms no one knew what they were. Also have psoriasis and there has been studies that psoriasis on palms is connected in 37% of the cases involved that have DD. lucky me!

Went to hand surgeon was diagnosed wih DD. and surgery was performed. This caused a huge flare in all my of fingers.
Surgeon had no other treatment for me and after 2 years my pinky totally contracted to the Palm/180' along wih the other fingers had stopped contracting at a slight curve but very deformed and still useful.

Went to plastic hand surgeon experienced in Xiaflex, after reading a article about the bio drug online. Checked on all the side effects and found a surgeon who was experienced wih the Xiaflex injections. In fact he did the clinical studies in my area using Xiaflex .

I tried NA it had no effect. Rt was not recommended for my existing stage of DD.In fact my hand flared more after NA.The scar tissue from surgery had thickened, and the nodes were the same small size of a small Pearl.

After 3 injections of XIAFLEX in my pinky, then two weeks later back to open finger. Was a great relief to finally have the pinky open, and on the plus side all the scar tissue from surgery was gone as well. Xiaflex is a enzyme which attacks the collagen on the tendons causing the D. contracture. Since scar tissue is also a build up of collagen it was desolved leaving my hand and finger smooth from surgery. In fact, Xiaflex is in a new clinical study for removing scar tissue from burn victims and other applications.

Also the splint made the nodes swell in my Palm & the Xiaflex.The docter injected cortisone in the nodes and they became less painful. Yet the cord to the pinky finger in the Palm area the nodes have increased in size.

I know how difficult just one finger closed to the palm can make small things in life a major task.

Now things are easier & no pain. I wear a splint at night & spring splint during the day hand therapy has helped as I continue to do exercises .

Everyone is different. And the 3 injections in my pinky was not a walk in the park. I had suffered many of the side effects listed by the manufacturer. It's been 4 months now and my hand has done better. Now just resting from any treatment in hands or feet.

Hope RT can help you. It seems to depend on what stage of DD you are in to determine what treatment is applicable.

Kind Regards
Cherise

06/03/2015 20:22
edgeworth 
06/03/2015 20:22
edgeworth 
Re: another weight lifting thread

Cherise:
Nothing wrong with lurking,

Since you have, you may be familiar with my story. I am not recommending anything . This is my experience with DD.

3 years ago slight curve in pinky. After 20 years of nodes in my palms no one knew what they were. Also have psoriasis and there has been studies that psoriasis on palms is connected in 37% of the cases involved that have DD. lucky me!

Went to hand surgeon was diagnosed wih DD. and surgery was performed. This caused a huge flare in all my of fingers.
Surgeon had no other treatment for me and after 2 years my pinky totally contracted to the Palm/180' along wih the other fingers had stopped contracting at a slight curve but very deformed and still useful.

Went to plastic hand surgeon experienced in Xiaflex, after reading a article about the bio drug online. Checked on all the side effects and found a surgeon who was experienced wih the Xiaflex injections. In fact he did the clinical studies in my area using Xiaflex .

I tried NA it had no effect. Rt was not recommended for my existing stage of DD.In fact my hand flared more after NA.The scar tissue from surgery had thickened, and the nodes were the same small size of a small Pearl.

After 3 injections of XIAFLEX in my pinky, then two weeks later back to open finger. Was a great relief to finally have the pinky open, and on the plus side all the scar tissue from surgery was gone as well. Xiaflex is a enzyme which attacks the collagen on the tendons causing the D. contracture. Since scar tissue is also a build up of collagen it was desolved leaving my hand and finger smooth from surgery. In fact, Xiaflex is in a new clinical study for removing scar tissue from burn victims and other applications.

Also the splint made the nodes swell in my Palm & the Xiaflex.The docter injected cortisone in the nodes and they became less painful. Yet the cord to the pinky finger in the Palm area the nodes have increased in size.

I know how difficult just one finger closed to the palm can make small things in life a major task.

Now things are easier & no pain. I wear a splint at night & spring splint during the day hand therapy has helped as I continue to do exercises .

Everyone is different. And the 3 injections in my pinky was not a walk in the park. I had suffered many of the side effects listed by the manufacturer. It's been 4 months now and my hand has done better. Now just resting from any treatment in hands or feet.

Hope RT can help you. It seems to depend on what stage of DD you are in to determine what treatment is applicable.

Kind Regards
Cherise

Thanks, Cherise. I have a lot to think about in terms of what I want to do. I think I have a really good hand surgeon here in Dallas. I will talk over Xiaflex and other stuff with her later this month. It would be really cool to not have my pinky finger bent down to my palm.

06/03/2015 21:23
Cherise 
06/03/2015 21:23
Cherise 

Re: another weight lifting thread


Hello,

You have to decide on your own and gathering info as you have done is a big part of the choice you may make. The different stages of DD does make a difference with treatment options. It's not easy and that's the risk we all take. The bigger question is, "Will this proceedure make a difference in our quality of life".

Keep us posted on what you decide and how you are doing. One thing to consider once the finger is contracted then straightened it may not have the same flexibility and dexteriority it had before. It tends to take a toll on the nuckle joints.

Hope your not in harms way the storms there have been unrelenting. I lived in Austin and the torrential rains were bad enough not to mention the huge Texas size mosquitos. YIKES !!!!

Cheers

06/04/2015 10:45
edgeworth 
06/04/2015 10:45
edgeworth 
Re: another weight lifting thread

Cherise:

Hello,

You have to decide on your own and gathering info as you have done is a big part of the choice you may make. The different stages of DD does make a difference with treatment options. It's not easy and that's the risk we all take. The bigger question is, "Will this proceedure make a difference in our quality of life".

Keep us posted on what you decide and how you are doing. One thing to consider once the finger is contracted then straightened it may not have the same flexibility and dexteriority it had before. It tends to take a toll on the nuckle joints.

Hope your not in harms way the storms there have been unrelenting. I lived in Austin and the torrential rains were bad enough not to mention the huge Texas size mosquitos. YIKES !!!!

Cheers

Thanks again for the info. I'm pretty sure I don't want to do surgery, because I scar very easily -- like I have a couple of keloids on my back from some old acne, and a big scar from having a mole removed on my abdomen many years ago (the easy skin scarring may be related to the DD, who knows)

Reading the xiaflex stuff on this forum and others can be a little scary, bcuz some peeps seem to think it could make matters worse. plus, IIRC from my visit 16 months ago, it was going to cost me several thousand $$$'s even after insurance. i've been blessed w/ a good career, so I can afford it, but still, I'm by no means a wealthy man, with two kids on the cusp of their college years. So you have to think about that, as it's a lot of money for something that may or may not work, or could even make it worse.

but, even if my finger didn't have the same flexibility or dexterity as before, just getting it out of my way would be so cool.

overall, my atttitude on DD is similar to a post seph made a few years ago -- you gotta keep in mind that this is the good disease, and things could be much worse. I just had a good friend, only a few yrs younger than me, die of lung cancer in January. Never smoked a day in his life (but his dad smoked in the house all thru his childhood, maybe that was the culprit, who knows....). He left behind a wife and three relatively young kids -- I was really sad for them and for him, and it just puts DD in perspective.

and my DD really isn't painful very much. maybe if i sleep on my hands at night I'll wake up really stiff, but that's about it. and as of right now, it hasn't impacted my life too much. a disease with little pain that doesn't affect your mind and won't kill you ... i can deal with that.

that being said, if there's something i could do to make it better, i would probably want to do it.

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