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07/27/2003 23:17
Stage One

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07/27/2003 23:17
Stage One

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Collagenase fees

The major benefit of collagenase treatment will be contrasted against hand surgery/recovery and a trip to
France. Collagenase could actually cost more than hand
surgery because it is more "benign" and less "invasive."
that is market economy. Collagenase is like "botox;" it
just lacks FDA approval. Have you done a search on Clostridum? Have you ever heard of lock-jaw? Skilled use
will require adequate compensation. Make sure that the
treatment is not done by a dermtologist who attended a
weekend seminar (lunch and golf included.)

07/27/2003 23:21
JERRY 
07/27/2003 23:21
JERRY 
Collagenase


You both make valid points: Collagenase; if and when approved should be our prime method of relief since it causes virtually no trauma and performs well. As pointed out by me on previous occasions, Collagenase must be administered by carefully trained individuals. Surgeons that have used the enzyme have provided the aforementioned warning.

07/27/2003 23:37
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07/27/2003 23:37
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Kennalog

Kennalog injections are one interim stopgap measure in progressing the disease. While these do not help in the contractures, they may soften nodules, and it is said that they can slow the progression of the disease. I am looking for an ortho hand surgeon in my area for this purpose. If you are interested in the procedure and are looking for a doctor in your area, the American Assoiciation of Hand Surgery website will list providers by city. That website is as follows:
http://www.handsurgery.org

07/27/2003 23:49
Tom M

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07/27/2003 23:49
Tom M

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Kennalog

I've followed the postings on this site for a long time, and have seen remarkably little about Kennalog injections. The pros and cons have not been fully debated here. For those of us who have a long history of nodules, but no further progression, NA or surgery are not solutions. Any of you who have had experience with this treatment, please post comments.

07/27/2003 23:50
JERRY 
07/27/2003 23:50
JERRY 
Kenelog (Triamcinolone Acetonide)

FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE:

I do not wish to become embroiled in a topic of which I am unfamiliar, however since I had nodules for many years without further progression, I personally would be of a mind to leave them alone for fear of exacerbating the condition.

It wasn’t until years later, when traumatized by injuries that curling commenced. Since others have reported similar findings I thought it in the best interest of all to post.

Please do not miss-construe my remarks as medical advice or as a recommendation, pro or con as to the merits of the Kenelog injections.

07/27/2003 23:58
Mary Beth

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07/27/2003 23:58
Mary Beth

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Dupuytrens Sufferers United

Hi PS and Tom,
Apparently the web site we recently posted re: nodule
injections has been difficult to reach. Try :
http://answers.google.com/answers then click onto health
and then type in dupuytrens and search. Also on Dr. Ketchum's website he references actually using the inject-
ions to prolong surgery for many patients. (Apparently w/
good results) We asked an Ortho Surgeon about injections
and he said that he has performed them for some patients,
but said he "didn't know if they would help or not." When
pressed he made no offer to do these. We found a Derm-
otogist who was willing to do the injections. She posted
to a dermo forum and got some suggestions. The majority
recommended the use of kennalog which is what she had used.
Also called Triamcinolone Acetonide. Dr. Ketchum published
an article on these same injections in the Journal of Hand
Surgery Nov. 25, 2000. Also the European Dr. who just
did Richard's NA said this is what he used for Ledderhose
in feet. At any rate, for Richard the injections have
accomplished exactly what we had hoped for. His nodules
have decreased and /or gone away. Two that had 3-4 inject-
ions went away, some had 1-2 injections and flattened and
softened, but he then had NA and has yet to resume his
scheduled injections. All of these were done 3-4 wks apart
and each nodule would get 2 or 3 injections each time.
One of the advantages he had was his skin stopped itching.
He had intense itching before. (Apparently the nodules stretched the skin). Good luck,
Mary Beth

07/28/2003 23:31
Tom M

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07/28/2003 23:31
Tom M

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Alternatives

Jerry and Mary Beth:

Thanks for the comments. I read your postings regularly, and appreciate your thoughts. Having had nodules for about 20 years, I'm inclined to leave them alone, though they are a bother, but certainly not the problem that some of our friends have with severe cases. Injections may be appropriate down the line, if they begin to progress, to head off the need for NA (I believe surgery is to be avoided if at all possible.)

07/28/2003 23:17
Richard & Mary Beth

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07/28/2003 23:17
Richard & Mary Beth

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Dupuytrens Sufferers United

Wow! In last few days our insurance agent, attorney and
cardiologist have thought that NA made sense. They all
asked, "Why can't you get it in the US?" Cardiologist
added verapamil to Richard's program. We
explained the topical version that he's using for Ledderhose to him and we felt an oral
version couldn't hurt. As mentioned in previous post, have
only been using topical for a few months and plan to give
it awhile and then post results.

08/01/2003 23:32
kenny

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08/01/2003 23:32
kenny

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Dupuytrens Sufferers United

MaryBeth & Richard. i hope you keep us posted with your progress. i am so happy after reading your previous posts that you have found something that works. sounds to me that richard has dupuytrens to the degree that all of us pray we don't get to. i am only 45 and have had two surgerys. one on my right hand and one on my right foot. (i have posted many times about my condition). developed triggerfinger in the right hand (injected with cordizone) after surgery, and the lump in my foot grew back the size of a golf ball. i will NOT have surgery again for any reason. i feel i am worse off after the surgery than before. it is so promising to hear success stories about alternatives to surgery. please keep us posted on how the injections are going. if you have continued success i am going tom persue this method. i don't think the side effects or complications to injections could be much worse than having dupuytrens to start with!

08/03/2003 23:22
Richard & Mary Beth

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08/03/2003 23:22
Richard & Mary Beth

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Dupuytrens Sufferers United

Kenny,
You are right, Richard does have dupuytrens to the
degree that everyone prays they won't. The 4 previous
surgeries are a factor in that. You posted that you have had
two previous surgeries, one to hand, one to foot, and are
worse. Since you are considering injections in
the future, it was interesting to us that in Europe, the
doctors treat Ledderhose w/ injections of IL kennalog. In-
stead of surgery they inject the nodules. This may be an
avenue for you to look into. Good luck,
Richard & Mary Beth

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