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04/28/2002 23:58
Terry Miller

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04/28/2002 23:58
Terry Miller

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Pain

Hi, I'm 42 and female. Just been diagnosed within the past year with Dupuytren's in my right hand. I now feel it coming on in my left hand and possibly my feet. They tell me this is a painless disease, but my hands constantly ache and I have contractions of my fingers all the time. My feet are beginning to ache the same way and are very painful when I first get up but after I get going they are ok. Does anyone else have this burning ache or am I going crazy? I've had the injections in my hand and used verapramil (way too expensive for me) and there has been no relieve. Thanks

04/28/2002 23:57
Eddie 
04/28/2002 23:57
Eddie 
Pain

As one can read in this and other forums, dp is absolutely not painless, in contradiction with what part of the medical world likes to tell us (maybe they never had dp themselves). But then, in my case, the pain only started AFTER surgery.
I recently attended a lecture of a handsurgeon on dp. He was an exeption to the rule, said it can be painfull, depending on the individual.
He has a vast experience in dp, partly because his father also was a hand surgeon.
One particular thing he claims : there is NEVER a medical reason for surgery, it is the patient that decides whether he wants surgery or not. Also, there is NEVER a right time.
Let us just hope that the tests with collagenase turn out well, and that it will be available 'shortly'

04/28/2002 23:58
Gary Evans

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04/28/2002 23:58
Gary Evans

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Pain

Eddie,
What are you trying to say? I had surgery about 100 days ago on a little finger that had 90 degrees contraction. I had no pain before, during or after the surgery except for 2 advil for a couple of days after surgery. I am totally happy with the outcome and have been playing golf now for about 25 days. The contraction is 0 degrees now and I have total flexibility of my hand. Scar tissue is almost all gone.
Gary

04/28/2002 23:19
chris 
04/28/2002 23:19
chris 
pain and aching

I feel pain and aching all the time in my hands. Several years ago a doctor said i had arthritus (spelling), come to find out it is DC. I assume it feels the same as Arthritus which from what most tell me it hurts like hell.

Chris

04/29/2002 23:07
Eddie 
04/29/2002 23:07
Eddie 
Pain

Gary,
Sorry if I wasn't completely clear. I guess I did the same thing as many (good-intending) people in here, write a few lines without really trying to give full information.
What I meant was that IN MY CASE, there wasn't any pain before the surgery, only after. And, that it seems very possible that any handsurgery or even hand injury can activate the 'latent' dp in the other hand (feet?)
Since my surgery a year ago I read lots about dp, like probably many in here. One thing has to be stressed : the reaction on any treatment, be it surgery, ointments, vitamines, exercise etc. depends on the individual. There seems not to be a rule as to what treatment is best for all.
I hope I have not been confusing people even more then they already were :)
If you (or anyone else in here) wants a part of my limited knowledge on the subject, please feel free to react.

04/29/2002 23:19
Gary Evans

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04/29/2002 23:19
Gary Evans

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pain

Eddie,
I agree totally. DC is interesting in that it reacts differently with different people. The studies show that it is often a painless process, but that it can be painful for many people. It seems from what I have read that DC when manifested as nodules is usually more painful than DC with "dermal pits". I have often wondered if there are two variations of DC. I am guessing that contraction takes place more often from the "dermal pits" than nodules, however I haven't seen the data. The surgeons and GPs, that I have spoken, have indicated this assumption.

I think the big debate, is whether in surgery does all of the diseased tissue have to be removed to prevent or slow down recurrence. It appears that disturbed tissue can stimulate the activity of DC. Not convinced that long term results are ok with "needle Ap." or "segmental Ap.". Or if there is any advantage to fasciectomy.
Anyones comments?
Gary

04/29/2002 23:50
john maynard

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04/29/2002 23:50
john maynard

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celebrex

I was diagnosed with DC yesterday and the only thing the DR. prescribed was Celebrex and hand excercise. Have pain in left hand and pits and nodules. Does anyone know a good experienced hand Dr. in Dallas Tx.
Thanks
John

04/29/2002 23:09
Terry Miller

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04/29/2002 23:09
Terry Miller

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Hand Dr. in Dallas

Hi John. I use to live in the Dallas area, well Arlington to be exact. There is a wonderful hand and arm Dr. in Arlington, Dr. Brentlinger. He is on Matlock or Mayfield. I'm not sure if you want to drive to Arlington or not. I wish you all luck, since my diagnosis not quite a year ago it has taken over both hands and now is starting in my feet. I don't know anyone in my family who has had this and it is very very painful. I had the nodules but not before my contractures of the fingers. By the time the nodules showed up both my middle and ring finger had cords present. My Dr. here in San Antonio said that surgery wouldn't necessarily help since it's a build up of scar tissue. I don't know how I can have that in my hands, I've not had any injuries to them. But oh well. This is a great place to find out lots of stuff. Good luck.

Terry

04/29/2002 23:13
Terry Miller

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04/29/2002 23:13
Terry Miller

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Celebrex

Forgot one point of advice. The Celebrex probably won't help you very much. My advice to get rid of the nodules is to go in and have a cortisone shot into each one. That's what I have done and it's been great. I still have a great deal of pain within my hands but no big lumps. So far I've not found anything for the pain. Good luck again.

Terry

04/30/2002 23:24
Eddie 
04/30/2002 23:24
Eddie 
Surgery / types

My humble lay opinion on a few things.
About a month ago I attended a lecture for a hand surgeon, who apparently uses about all methods available.
The question as to which method depends on the situation of the patient.
Some of the things I remember from the lecture :
1 needle treatment :
well proved method (in several countries in Europe), but only applicable if there is a cord that is mainly in the palm, i.e. not extending in the fingers. To people that have fears about cutting nerves : the danger seems no greater than with normal surgery, particularly since the location of the collagen and the nerves are well defined and known by a trained hand surgeon. The reason why a cord in a finger should not be treated is that in the finger the risk of rupting a nerve is much greater.
2 the different types of 'cutting'
depend on the surgeons preference/experience and the particular case. As to whether it is better to try to remove all the collagen (thus creating larger wounds and longer healing), nothing is clearcut. More extensive cutting will of course result in longer healing time, and in the possible formation of internal scar tissue.
3 long term results :
whatever method used, I dont think there is any guarantee.
4 excercising :
is recommended, with one limit : stretching a bent finger backwards (meaning, putting stress on the collagen cord) MIGHT activate the dp.
5 pills, vitamines, ointments :
some people seem to see a positive result, however, they cannot be sure what would have happened if they didnt use it ! Dp is something that can stay stable for years, and come back suddenly.
Again, all the above is written by a layman, so please dont take it for gospel.
Always available to share my limited knowledge on the subject.

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