Did I read somewhere that someone found out that Americans can be treated in Canada if they sign a waiver form? Anyone remember writing that?

Frances

It's my understanding neither Dr. Bourland nor Dr. Kline have been directly trained in the Paris form of NA. Infact, it appears that Dr. Kline's experience with NA is seeing it performed on his own hands.

Personally, I would contact France to confirm the pedigree of any Dr. who claims to perform NA then make make my own decision.

Frances

Dr. Denkler,

Thanks so much for the info. It's nice to know that NA has finally arrived in the L.A.

Frances' point is well taken. If I was having NA performed again in the near future I'd most likely head over the Golden Gate to Marin County where Dr. Denkler practices. However, I can't help being excited that Dr. Benhaim is aboard at UCLA.

From what I understand, the French do not allow any visiting physician to actually perform the NA procedure on patients there due to legal issues, is this correct?

So they are *all* learning via observation instead of direct practice anyway.

It just seems a little too much can be made of the "Paris" mystique - the guys over there who do it are rheumatologists who are trained in NO invasive techniques.

Larry,

You have given a good explanation of the longstandig "Paris Not Needed" argument. If someone of the experience of Eaton were cleared by his lawyer to allow other physicians to observe, I'd agree wholeheartedly. Don't need Paris. Eaton could probably train new French guys better than the French!

What I was pointing out is that observing and taking pointers from someone with experience is *way* better than "self training". Both Eaton and Press are on record that there were *definitely* things to be learned in Paris. However, eventually more NAs will be done in the US than Europe. It's growing fast. My question to Dr.Dinkler is, did he go to Paris as he indicated he would, and are we now ready to be self reliant. If so, why and how?

Like McDonnell's hamburgers, medicinal procedures should be as consistent as possible. That consistency comes from an established standards learned in med. school and upgraded as time goes on. Surgeons need to be re-certified every few years.

Right now NA in the US is in a state of flux. Not yet accepted by the powers that be, it's on it's own. Eaton comes as close to the "Authority" as anyone. But he can't teach for now. That being the case, Paris training may continue to be only thing that can bring any consistency of treatment.

Thanks for making my question to Dr. Denkler (about how to know who we can trust) more clear.