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Radiation-different treatment plans
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09/13/2010 12:54
casaNM 
09/13/2010 12:54
casaNM 
Re: Radiation-different treatment plans

Thanks for all the replies. I am concerned that there is a week between my first and second treatments, and I have not been told when the rest of the treatments are. I will call my doctor and discuss my schedule as this is different from original consultation with him.

09/13/2010 15:11
PhilipHa1 
09/13/2010 15:11
PhilipHa1 
Re: Radiation-different treatment plans

I had 5 x 3GY (daily) 10 years ago, because the treatment went well and flying to Germany was difficult holiday-wise I didn't go back for a second round of treatment.......so my feeling is that a 1.5 to 2 month gap might give you chance to assess how well the first round of treatment has gone and then make a decision, following my treatment my symptoms gradually improved over the subsequent 3 months, although most impact occurred in the week of the treatment

09/13/2010 16:26
Larry 
09/13/2010 16:26
Larry 
Different treatment plans and different clinical experience ... !

casaNM:
Thanks for all the replies. I am concerned that there is a week between my first and second treatments, and I have not been told when the rest of the treatments are. I will call my doctor and discuss my schedule as this is different from original consultation with him.


It is always strange to get not a clear-cut treatment schedule; you wonder whether they have sufficient
experience to change plans because of you individual case or their individual (un)availibility ...

That's why I like the German approach - a clear-cut study concept to analyze differences between two
different RT schedules. Prof Seegenschmiedt in Hamburg has made a clear point that it may be possible
to reduce the dose, but unless clinics are performing long-term studies, no single institution will really
know for sure what they have achieved.

That's why I went to Germany for treatment because I can rely on a very long-term clinical experience
which is never given by institutions which treat rarely or just recently ... these are my hand and feet
which I have to carry around for my whole life-span ! That's worthwile to get advice from a specialist
and treatment from the most experienced clinicians ...

09/13/2010 22:30
Diana 
09/13/2010 22:30
Diana 
Re: Radiation-different treatment plans

It was difficult for me as well when looking into getting radiation. I had a consult with Dr. T at Scripps but during our discussion, the type of treatment he was advocating changed - days and Gys. I felt unsure since he wasn't doing studies on how effective his treatment protocol was.

I ended up going with a doctor nearer to my home who had never treated Dupuytren's BUT he researched Prof. Seegenschmiedt's studies and we went with the 3Gys/day for 5 days, 3 mo. break, and another round of same.

I've been reading for the past year about people getting lower doses in case they needed another round and wish that I knew if the lower dose of radiation would have worked for me. Until definitive studies are published though, I am unclear on how doctors are choosing their protocols. I'm not a radiation oncologist so I'm sure that they have their reasons but it just seems strange that the treatments are so varied.

Diana

11/29/2010 21:43
allisun 
11/29/2010 21:43
allisun 
Re: Radiation-different treatment plans

I had radiation therapy done in May at Virginia Commonwealth University. They gave me seven days of treatment spread across 10 days, 3g each day. It is now 7 months later, and I have noticed new growth. I am not going to return to Virginia for treatment because I live in NYC, but I am seeking another round, going to do a consult with a doctor in new york that I discovered from a post on Metafilter. Nicholas J. Sanfilippo of the NYU radiation oncology department has worked with one patient so far and I have a consultation coming up to possibly be his second. I'm not sure yet what treatment plan I will do for the second round, Dr. Weiss in Virginia recommended doing the same thing again but I am now curious about the six week wait time recommended by the Germans.

11/30/2010 12:12
spanishbuddha 

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11/30/2010 12:12
spanishbuddha 

Administrator

Re: Radiation-different treatment plans

allisun:
I had radiation therapy done in May at Virginia Commonwealth University. They gave me seven days of treatment spread across 10 days, 3g each day. It is now 7 months later, and I have noticed new growth. I am not going to return to Virginia for treatment because I live in NYC, but I am seeking another round, going to do a consult with a doctor in new york that I discovered from a post on Metafilter. Nicholas J. Sanfilippo of the NYU radiation oncology department has worked with one patient so far and I have a consultation coming up to possibly be his second. I'm not sure yet what treatment plan I will do for the second round, Dr. Weiss in Virginia recommended doing the same thing again but I am now curious about the six week wait time recommended by the Germans.

Do you mind saying - is the new growth in an area that was previously subject to the radiotherapy 'beam'. Thank you.

(There are a lot of examples on this forum on the success of RT so it would also be useful to understand those cases if or where it doesn't appear to help).

11/30/2010 12:41
Larry 
11/30/2010 12:41
Larry 
Different Radiation Treatment Plans & Treatment Volumes & EXPERIENCE !!

Diana:
It was difficult for me as well when looking into getting radiation. I had a consult with Dr. T at Scripps but during our discussion, the type of treatment he was advocating changed - days and Gys. I felt unsure since he wasn't doing studies on how effective his treatment protocol was.

I ended up going with a doctor nearer to my home who had never treated Dupuytren's BUT he researched Prof. Seegenschmiedt's studies and we went with the 3Gys/day for 5 days, 3 mo. break, and another round of same.

I've been reading for the past year about people getting lower doses in case they needed another round and wish that I knew if the lower dose of radiation would have worked for me. Until definitive studies are published though, I am unclear on how doctors are choosing their protocols. I'm not a radiation oncologist so I'm sure that they have their reasons but it just seems strange that the treatments are so varied.

Diana


Dear comrades of "DD",

It's not only TECHNIQUE or DOSE SCHEDULE !

Truely its the SKILL TO EXAMINE a HAND and
exactly IDENTIFY the full EXTENT of the DISEASE

and that cannot be done by a doctor who treats
his first patient ... To whom he will COMPARE ??

MEDICINE is an ART and a matter of EXPERIENCE !
That'S why I only would go to an experienced person
who has examined hundreds of hands and feet ...

Let the others LEARN to do what might be appropriate
but not with MY HANDS or FEET !

I would always travel to get the BEST EXPERIENCE !

Larry

11/30/2010 12:54
allisun 
11/30/2010 12:54
allisun 
Re: Radiation-different treatment plans

Quote:
Do you mind saying - is the new growth in an area that was previously subject to the radiotherapy 'beam'. Thank you.

(There are a lot of examples on this forum on the success of RT so it would also be useful to understand those cases if or where it doesn't appear to help).

Yes, new growth is in an area that was radiated. A nodule that was small has continued to enlargen and my contracture is worsening.

I called around to get some other opinions on recurrence after initial treatment. I was able to talk to a knowledgeable assistant at U of Oklahoma, who said they've had several people have to return for a second treatment, that it varies on the individual if the first round will be enough.

Edited 11/30/10 14:54

11/30/2010 13:04
allisun 
11/30/2010 13:04
allisun 
Re: Radiation-different treatment plans

patandpaula:
Yes, Larry, I agree it is very strange.
But don't have any way to confirm or disprove proper treatment.
Just know for sure I was very disappointed.

Paula

Paula, have you considered going back in for treatment? The assistant at U of Oklahoma said it was not unusual for someone to need a second round . I got the same amount of Gy as you in Virginia, and my Dup has not been stopped. I am looking into getting a second round. I wonder what the rate of recurrence is after two treatments.

11/30/2010 15:31
cindy850 
11/30/2010 15:31
cindy850 
Re: Radiation-different treatment plans

So did you go in for 4 days one week and 3 days the next? I find it strange that they did your treatment like that. Why not 10 days of treatments. I had 10 days of treatment - 5 days 1 week and 5 days the next week and mine was 2GY. Also my doctor had never did this on anyone with DD and i trust him. He is a very good doctor and he radiated my whole hands up to middle joint and my thumbs were included. And if you are not willing to let a doctor try on you for his first time how in the world are we going to get more doctors to be willing to help us with radiation. I was more than willing to do this because i wanted this disease to stop from progressing in my hands and so far it has did this. My hands are not perfect and my right hand is the worse one. I have a lot of tightness in my hands and pain if i use them to much but my nodules are so small you can't even see them. I still have some cords but i knew going into this it wouldn't do much for cords. I think the biggest problem people have is not doing the whole hand the first time. It has been 9 months since i had my treatments and i'm very happy that i found a doctor that would do this for me. I feel like i did the right thing for me. Everyone has to decide for themselves at the end of the day. Take care

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