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10/06/2010 18:19
bstenman 
10/06/2010 18:19
bstenman 
Re: Radiation in US

I had my second course of treatment done in the USA and was comfortable doing so only because the people performing the treatment had the hand mappings and protocol created by Dr. Seegenschmiedt to use for guidance. Dr. Denkler had performed an NA procedure on both hands only months before my visit to Dr. Seegenschmiedt in Essen and had underestimated the degree of progression in my second hand, which had a nodule but very little in the way of a contracture compared to my primary hand.

I had both hands treated as in my judgment the risk was slight from the radiation and I wanted to stop the progression of the disease in both hands. As XRT can only halt and not reverse the development of Dupuytren's I can see no reason not to be "aggressive" in treating it as soon as possible once the disease has been diagnosed.

With XRT there is not good information being provided as to the risk involved. As only the hands are exposed with low levels of radiation and no major organs other than the layers beneath the skin it is going to be radiated the risk is much less than that involved with traditional radiation treatment for cancer. Age is also a factor as cancers resulting from radiation exposure can take decades to develop (as with the breast cancer in the USA whose geographic distribution is strongly correlated from exposure to radioactive fallout from the atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons done over a period of more than 30 years). The risk is likely to be higher for someone receiving XRT in their 20's or 30's than for someone who is 50 or older.

Unfortunately there is no hard facts as to risk for different treatments (hands versus feet) or for men versus women or by age group to use to make a completely informed decision about XRT. The only statistics I have been able to find relate to the efficacy of the treatment and not any side effects.

Nonetheless my own experience was that under treatment is likely given the justifiably conservative approach of medical practictioners in this area of medicine in the USA. Medical practitioners are more worried about lawsuits and loss of their medical liability insurance for deviating from an "accepted standard of practice". They are a lot less worried about recommending risky surgery that is "accepted" than something like XRT for Dupuytren's which is not considered an "accepted" treatment in the USA.

10/06/2010 19:47
dwilson540 
10/06/2010 19:47
dwilson540 
Re: Radiation in US

I'd agree with most of what you said. I too, judged the risk for radiation to be slight since I'm 60. There wasn't a lot of information about radiation, but I wanted to be as aggressive regarding treatment as I could be. I have a friend who wasn't aggressive and who wound up with bad contractures.

My particular doctor, now retired, was from Switzerland. But once he knew about the problem he was ready to go regarding treatment. I understand that he had treated someone else the previous year. Also my insurance paid without question, so I have to assume that it is becoming somewhat acceptable as a treatment.

I am thankful that this site exists because without it I would not have known about the various possibilities for treatment. I would like to have had more knowledge and certainty, but weighing the "risk / reward ratio" I quickly decided that radiation was worth the risk.

Dale

10/07/2010 16:05
Larry 
10/07/2010 16:05
Larry 
Re: Radiation in US

dwilson540:
I'd agree with most of what you said. I too, judged the risk for radiation to be slight since I'm 60. There wasn't a lot of information about radiation, but I wanted to be as aggressive regarding treatment as I could be. I have a friend who wasn't aggressive and who wound up with bad contractures.

My particular doctor, now retired, was from Switzerland. But once he knew about the problem he was ready to go regarding treatment. I understand that he had treated someone else the previous year. Also my insurance paid without question, so I have to assume that it is becoming somewhat acceptable as a treatment.

I am thankful that this site exists because without it I would not have known about the various possibilities for treatment. I would like to have had more knowledge and certainty, but weighing the "risk / reward ratio" I quickly decided that radiation was worth the risk.

Dale

If you do so get the best assessment of your disease prior to any treatment : you need to see a radiation therapist with
long-term experience to get the necessary treatments to the involved areas. I think that the German methodology is the
best and most diligent way of assessment and will provide you with the skills of self-assessment which I find very important.

If you need help to contact them, I will be of help ... Larry

02/26/2012 17:59
dwilson540 
02/26/2012 17:59
dwilson540 
Re: Radiation in US

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It has been almost 4 years since I first logged on to this site after finding the beginning signs of Dupuytren's in the palms of both hands. Went to two orthopedic doctors who both indicated that nothing could be done except surgery when it got bad enough. Not wanting to accept that as an answer I found a radiologist in Topeka that knew about the disease and how to treat it with radiation. He's since retired. But I wanted to tell this group that I don't think the disease has progressed one little bit since I completed the radiation treatment. Periodically I think it is important to keep the flow of information going and let everyone know, good or bad, the results. I have to say, that knowing what I know now, I would run to the nearest doctor giving radiation treatments for the treatment. I had no side effects and it appears to have stopped the progression of the disease entirely.

dwilson540

02/27/2012 13:47
flojo 
02/27/2012 13:47
flojo 
Re: Radiation in US

dwilson,

Thanks for the update. Very glad to hear that RT worked for you, too. It's the "only game in town" at this point to stop progression as an early intervention.

02/27/2012 14:18
db_9 
02/27/2012 14:18
db_9 
Re: Radiation in US

Can you guys explain what it considered early intervention of this disease? I have a nodule that is getting quite big and I can fell the cord from the nodule heading toward the palm of my hand. I can't feel one yet expanding to my pinky or ring finger. I don't have any contraction yet. But I can feel the tightness starting.

I know this can't cure contraction. But when cords start developing, is that considered advanced stages of the disease?
I have an appointment next week with the hand doctor, but I know he only does surgery. I am going to have him fax the results of his assessment to an oncologist in Boston. Then I will have a consultation with him.

02/27/2012 14:31
dwilson540 
02/27/2012 14:31
dwilson540 
Re: Radiation in US

I don't know what early intervention is. I noticed some very small nodules on the palms of both hands. I don't think I can even feel cords. But I had a friend who had an advanced case of Dupuytren's and it scared the beJesus out of me. Also, I'm married to a woman who is a surgical nurse who has drummed into me, at the very first sign of anything, go to a doctor, they can do miracles if given enough to work with. So I started doing online research, found this group and went to a couple of orthopedic docs. After hearing negative things from them I refused to give up, called two hospitals, I think it was Scripps and University of Virginia and was set to fly to UofV. Then, I called the hospital where my wife works and talked to someone in the radiation / oncology dept. At first they didn't know what I was talking about, but they were willing to talk to the Doctor and came back with, "Oh yeah, we did one of those last year."

I was also fortunate enough to have BCBS pay for the treatment.

At first sign of this I would run to the nearest radiation treatment center and see if I was a candidate. Why wait?

Regards,

Dale

02/27/2012 14:56
wach 

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02/27/2012 14:56
wach 

Administrator

Re: Radiation in US

Without interfering with the advice of your doctor what you are describing is probably too early for surgery. For radiotherapy probably a good guideline is the earlier the better. Have look at "radiotherapy - when to apply best" on http://www.dupuytren-online.info/radiation_therapy.html.

Wolfgang

db_9:
Can you guys explain what it considered early intervention of this disease? I have a nodule that is getting quite big and I can fell the cord from the nodule heading toward the palm of my hand. I can't feel one yet expanding to my pinky or ring finger. I don't have any contraction yet. But I can feel the tightness starting.

I know this can't cure contraction. But when cords start developing, is that considered advanced stages of the disease?
I have an appointment next week with the hand doctor, but I know he only does surgery. I am going to have him fax the results of his assessment to an oncologist in Boston. Then I will have a consultation with him.

02/27/2012 14:59
db_9 
02/27/2012 14:59
db_9 
Re: Radiation in US

I agree that the doctor will probably give me the wait an approach answer and I am sure surgery is not an option right now. I am going to try and avoid surgery for as long as I can. I am going to him first just so he can fax my results to the oncologist in Boston. I have talked with them on the phone and they say not everyone is a candidate for RT. I haven't met with them yet so I am not sure what they consider a good candidate.

02/27/2012 17:57
flojo 
02/27/2012 17:57
flojo 
Re: Radiation in US

I didn't find out about RT very early in the development of Dup's in my right hand. It already had some contracture and I had NA done first. It was almost 6 months later that I had RT at Scripps. I don't think I would wait that long again, but the first time my personal schedule didn't permit earlier scheduling of RT. As it turned out, the rapid development of nodules over a 2 month period made it evident that my whole palm needed RT. It was successful - no new nodules in the radiated area after 2 1/2 years.

I had a second consultation with Dr. Ari Katerelos at LLUMC about my left hand. While nodules are increasing in size, number, and hardness, there is no contracture. He said to do RT before there is any contracture, so I continue on a vigilant watch. As soon as there are any signs of contracture, we'll do RT.

My disease is in my palm more than my fingers. Contracture was across the palm and any pulling on my fingers is from the tightness in my palm. That doesn't mean that tomorrow, I won't have fingers contracting. You just never know what it's going to dol Weird disease!

You are on the right track, I think, and are being proactive. It isn't easy to know exactly what and when to do a treatment, but we have the best knowledge of what is going on with our Dups. It is right there staring us in the face, however the sneaky rat is working underneath where we can't see it. I had clear symptoms that it was active underneath - crawly feelings, occasional little night time achy feelings - just the constant reminders nagging me in the back of my mind.

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