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Dupuytern's and Healing
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07/31/2025 11:35
rjfriki 
07/31/2025 11:35
rjfriki 

Dupuytern's and Healing

To my IDS Forum Colleagues,

I have been doing a good deal of reading in the research literature and came across some research that is suggesting Dupuyterns may be the result of a healing process that has gone out of control. Has anyone else seen any research supporting this thought? It would have serious implications if it is true and could help explain why recurrence is likely after surgery with some individuals.

Thanks for any feedback or thoughts on this line of thinking, Rick.

07/31/2025 16:51
spanishbuddha 

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07/31/2025 16:51
spanishbuddha 

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Re: Dupuytern's and Healing

I think there is an association between various forms of fibrosis and adverse healing that leads to keloids. Keloids result from an aggressive form of healing beyond the impacted site. Many posts on FB of people having surgery for DD are asking for help with severe scarring or keloids.

Not scientific of course but if you ask your favourite AI something like "is there a link between fibrosis and the possibility of scarring leading to keloids, and also a susceptibility to dupuytren's?" you will get an answer with lots of links for further reading that agrees with your premise.

07/31/2025 17:05
rjfriki 
07/31/2025 17:05
rjfriki 

Re: Dupuytern's and Healing

Interesting, I will have to try this out. Thank you for the suggestion.

08/01/2025 04:36
wach 

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08/01/2025 04:36
wach 

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Re: Dupuytern's and Healing

I myself also believe that Dupuytren's might be related to a somehow disturbed healing process. Nodules and cords develop in areas which are frequently compressed and stretched. When affected fingers are stiffened for other reasons, the cord typically vanishes. To me that is an indication that Dupuytren's is strongly related to forces to which the tissue is frequently subjected. I have no idea what the initial damage might be. It seems nearly impossible to oberve the onset of Dupuytren's and find out what the trigger is. We only recognize Dupuytren's in an already developed nodular stage.

I don't believe that Dupuytren's is related to excessive collagen production, like in keloids. I myself have excellent would healing with very little scarring but have Dupuytren's. About 20 years ago there was speculation that Dupuytren's might have similar root causes as keloids but since then, that theory received not much attention anymore.

Wolfgang

08/01/2025 14:30
rjfriki 
08/01/2025 14:30
rjfriki 

Re: Dupuytern's and Healing

Thank you, very helpful comments!!

08/12/2025 17:26
Clm 
08/12/2025 17:26
Clm 
Re: Dupuytern's and Healing

A long time ago, I read that Dupuytren’s/ledderhose was theorized to result from overactive healing following injury to the fascia, but more recently—and I think this is what you’re referring to—some researchers have proposed that it’s sort of an immune system overreaction to friction or vibration or repetitive stress to the fascia. My radiologist has even advised me to wear gloves when doing anything that involves friction or vibration, like gardening or working with power tools or typing. It’s not clear what would cause this—a genetic mutation of some sort? An immune disorder?

I have my own theories about my situation. I think I have some sort of genetic collagen disorder because I have (or had prior to a hysterectomy) other conditions associated with abnormal fibrosis, namely endometriosis and adenomyosis. I haven’t yet found any investigation in the research literature into an association between these gynecological conditions and Dupuytren’s/plantar fibromatosis.

I’ve also had frozen shoulders and I have Garrod’s pads, which are associated with Dupuytren’s. I am also hypermobile, have ropey feeling muscles under my skin, have fibrocystic breasts (even after hysterectomy), have very youthful skin for my age, and have invertebral disc issues (possibly degenerative disc disease, which is associated with fibrotic alterations, and hidradenitis suppurativa (another skin condition that involves nodules and fibrosis) . I’d be curious how many people here have other conditions that involve fibrosis.

“Fibrosis occurs when the synthesis of new collagen by myofibroblasts exceeds the rate at which it is degraded, such that the total amount of collagen increases over time.”

Edited 08/12/2025 20:05

08/12/2025 18:16
rjfriki 
08/12/2025 18:16
rjfriki 

Re: Dupuytern's and Healing

Thanks for sharing. You have been through a great deal. I first noticed something was going on with my right pinky when I was 60, am 75 now and probably should have had something done 4-5 yrs ago but my wife was extremely ill and my health took a back seat and still is. I can't be out of commission for any length of time, so surgery is pretty much out for me at this point. Immun-type issues appear to run in my family so maybe there is a connection there as you have suggested. Right now only my right pinky finger is impacted, 90 degrees at the PIP. Other fingers are ok but can see nodules and cords starting to develop, so I am monitoring them closely hoping not to let them progress like the right pinky. Let us know how things work out for you!! This forum has been a real help for me in just being able to talk with people and in getting advice related to Dupuyterns.

08/12/2025 19:36
Clm 
08/12/2025 19:36
Clm 
Re: Dupuytern's and Healing

If you have new nodules in the growth stage, you should see if you can find a radiologist who treats Dupuytren’s. It probably won’t help with your pinky, but it could help with newer lesions and contractures. It is a low dose of radiation and should not interfere with your ability to use your hands. I’ve only had half a course so far. I had a small amount of pain on day 2 in one finger but nothing after that. Obviously, I can’t tell you if it is doing anything yet, but others on here have reported good long-term results. My insurance covers it (with a 20% coinsurance), and my radiologist said Medicare has covered it (with coinsurance) for some of her patients.

Maybe Xiaflex would be an option for your pinky (I don’t know much about that because I wasn’t a candidate).

Your situation seems very difficult. I hope you find relief somehow.

08/12/2025 20:06
rjfriki 
08/12/2025 20:06
rjfriki 

Re: Dupuytern's and Healing

Thank you for your thoughtful comments!!

I think my pinky is beyond Xiaflex but I would be interested in hearing from other's experiences.

I really enjoyed the discussion about everybody seeing the same surgeon and getting the same response. In my case the surgeon went straight to surgery and no discussion about any other options, so much for a consult appointment. But then again, surgeon's do surgery. The other thing that really surprised me at the appointment was using a protractor to get the degrees of contracture. I was thinking, especially after what my wife has been through, that there would be some type of imaging. Oh, well, I think someone on this Forum said that surgery for Dupuyterns hasn't changed much in 200 years, I guess neither has how we measure its severity.

Again, thank you for your thoughtful comments and sharing!!

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