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Is NA a short term fix?
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06/06/2004 23:13
James Barnard

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06/06/2004 23:13
James Barnard

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Is NA a short term fix?

I saw my hand surgeon at Massachussets General for a follow up today and he told me that while NA would fix my dupuytrens for a while "it would come back with a vengeance" as it would be more trauma for the hand and aggravate the condition. I've read that we know recurrance does happen frequently, but have people had their contracture spread or get worse following an NA procedure? I would imagine this isn't a 6 month phenomena necessarily so Dr. Eaton's patients may be too soon to addd value in sharing their experiences. Thanks all.

06/06/2004 23:31
Harold Hanerfeld

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06/06/2004 23:31
Harold Hanerfeld

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Bad information

Your hand surgeron is wrong. April 24 was the one year anniversary of my NA treatment by DR Lermusiaux. My two fingers remain straight and there is no sign that DC is about to reoccur. If or when DC does come back NA will be the way It will be treated.

06/06/2004 23:38
James Barnard

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06/06/2004 23:38
James Barnard

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that~sq~s what I want to hear....

I hope my surgeon is misguided in his idea but am not going to dismiss the opinion of the best hand surgeon at one of the country's top hospitals so lightly without some investigation. What you have to say is very useful to hear and I'd love to hear about more long term results.

06/06/2004 23:41
George Barbarow

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06/06/2004 23:41
George Barbarow

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Hand Surgeon - data ?

James ask your hand surgeon to back up his "story" with factual data.

By and large, the hand surgeons in the USA seem to be completely ignorant of the needle aponevrotomy procedure.

NA can be repeated as necessary - the hideous old procedure leaves all manner of disfiguration and problems with repeat procedure. Ask where the information is that this hand surgeon is proporting exists !

06/06/2004 23:32
Randy H.

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06/06/2004 23:32
Randy H.

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good idea

Your hand surgeon is quite correct that you need to be concerned about trauma to you hands. However, ask him which is more traumatic, NA or traditional invasive surgery. The idea that full open surgery isn't traumatic is nuts. Yes, most of the disease tissue is removed with surgery (that's why it's so traumatic) With NA only the offending cords are severed. The question is: How much diseased tissue did you have *before* the Dups started? None, right? So originally your now diseased tissue came from *healthy* tissue. So even if the surgery removes all the existing diseased tissue, it can still return, especially after such a traumatic event as surgery. The conditions that created the Dups in the first place are not altered by the surgery one bit.

Now, since your doc is so concerned abut trauma as a trigger for more Dups growth, why isn't he concerned abut the trauma he will inflict if he opens up your hand? The answer is that he really believes he has *no choice*. This, of course, comes from the standard American surgical ignorance concerning the actual facts about NA. Though many surgeons haven't even heard of NA, the knee jerk reactions form those who have are:

A) "It doesn't work."
B) "It's too dangerous"
C) "It requires repeated treatment"

Assertions A and B have been clinically proven to be false in 30 years of practice Europe and now by Dr. Eaton in Florida. My reaction to C, in the worst possible case scenario, is....So What?

(The above statements are in no way intended to imply that US hand surgeons are mercenary, incompetent or devious. When it comes to NA they are simply ignorant. I do believe, however, that this ignorance comes from a firmly entranced set of blinders caused by professional arrogance. Don't worry. Once NA is firmly entrenched as the initial treatment of choice, they will all be pleased as punch with themselves at how advanced the've become on our behalf.......Fine.)


06/06/2004 23:47
James

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06/06/2004 23:47
James

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good idea

Good idea. I will challenge the doctor to provide something to substantiate his claim NA would do more harm than good and cause it to come back worse!

By the way, I was reading a review of the procedure in a a paper by another French doctor, R Bleton, who said it works better on forms of dupuytren without nodules. I didn't realize you could have dup without having the nodule - wrong? If that's the case, maybe thats why I am having some tightness now in my left palm in the same spot without the nodule - I figured it was my imagination since there wasn't a nodule present like my right hand.

06/06/2004 23:42
stu

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06/06/2004 23:42
stu

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na short term

Today I went to the local hospital for a repair to my nighttime splints that I received when having NA from Dr. Eaton. The Therapist here had not heard of NA but was very experienced with the traditional surgery for Dupuytrens. I had NA in Fl. and was getting my splints repaired in Va. She was anxious to look at the websites I gave her and was quick to comment that the patients she had from surgery usually had repeated trouble and wounds that were swollen and needed therapy for months with the fingers. I am happy to have had NA in Fl by Dr. Eaton for both hands and will do it again if necessary.

06/07/2004 23:49
linda

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06/07/2004 23:49
linda

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na short term

I ALSO WENT TO MY REGULAR DOCTOR A FEW DAYS AGO... APPROXIMATELY 2 WEEKS AFTER DR. EATON...YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN HIS FACE.. LOL HE ALSO WANTED WEB SITE.....NOW... THEY ARE STARTING TOPAY ATTENTION.... I WENT MAY 21 AND 24TH TO SR. EATON WENT FROM 80& CLOSURE ON PINKIE TO 30% AND GAINED 5/8 OF AN INCH SPAN IN RIGHT HAND THAT JUST HAD A PIT....COULD NOT BE HAPPIER WITH DR. EATON.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE.EMAIL ME....I WILL BE GOING BACK TO DR. EATON, CANNOT EVEN THINK WHY ANYONE WOULD CONSIDER TRADITIONAL SURGERY....AM SLO WEARING A BRACE ON ONE HAND AT NIGHT. IT HELPS TO PUT HAND IN WARM WATER FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES BEFORE BRACE TO STRETCH OUT MUSCLES AND TENDONS..THEN STRETCH FINGERS OUT AS FAR AS POSSIBLE FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES, THEN LOOSEN BRACE AND PUT ON FOR NIGHT....THIS KEEPS FINGERS FROM GOING BACK TO ORIGIONAL POSSITION BECAUSE MUSCLES AND SKIN HAVE SHRUNK.

06/07/2004 23:07
Terry

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06/07/2004 23:07
Terry

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Long term results

NA straightened my hands.

I had stage 3 almost 4 in my left pinkie, with all the others ranging from stage 1-3 in both hands. That was three years ago and only now am I starting to see the curl come back, not aggressively, just gradual.

I will have NA again. Surgery means trauma, surgical scars etc.... I am hoping collegenase will become available as my cords are quite thick....until then, NA is all I will consider.

Good luck,
Hope this helps.
Terry

06/07/2004 23:15
James

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06/07/2004 23:15
James

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That~sq~s great Terry!

That's a great result Terry. You have had the procedure well before most people here...did you go to Dr. Badois?

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