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01/15/04 01:10
Kevin

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01/15/04 01:10
Kevin

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Iceland

Jim,

The genetic defect prevelant in persons descended from the Vikings is one that causes hypoglycemia due to a defect with glucose storage. I don't know if the Iceland folks with DC have this particular genetic defect, BUT, if they do, it would NOT cause Diabetes II.

In fact! It would make sense that they have a LOW incidence of Diabetes II because Diabetes II is caused by insulin resistance, which is a different mechanism.

I think your statistic about Iceland actually supports the ideas presented in my web site! Which is pretty cool.

01/15/04 01:11
Lady Margaret

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01/15/04 01:11
Lady Margaret

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Nattokinase

Hummm....try switching around your words in the search...'cause I found lots that link Nattokinase with diabetese and insulin.

01/15/04 01:51
jim h

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01/15/04 01:51
jim h

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Jim

Kevin,
I see your point. Your theory is that DC might be caused either by low levels of insulin, or insulin resistance. Many Scandinavians have the former, due to hypoglycemia, but it is quite different from diabetes due to insulin resistance and in fact may tend to oppose it.

Many studies have been done on the population of Iceland because of its isolation. It would be interesting to know if these two groups - DC and hypoglycemia - intersect significantly. Maybe the data is available, somewhere.

In a few weeks I'm scheduled for a physical and I'll pay particular attention to the blood sugar findings. I'm also going to research hypoglycemia as I've sometimes felt that it might apply to me.

01/15/04 01:17
Kevin

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01/15/04 01:17
Kevin

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Jim

Jim,

I don't think a routine bood test will necessarily reveal a low blood sugar condition. I had a blood test a few months ago, and the result was above the target range because I had not fasted. However, I'm not convinced that a test after fasting would have revealed any adverse conditions.

I recently discontinued the glucoseamine/msm/chondroitin supplement, and I am shocked at how different I feel, and how much better I feel. I have to wonder if the supplement might have impaired my system in a way that would not have shown up with a static blood analysis, or a dynamic test where an outside stimuli (glucose) is introduced to see how your system responds over time.

Since I disoncontinued the supplement, I would estimate that my metabolism has sped up by about 40 to 50%. I'm just blown away by the difference, and the extra sleep is probably responsible for a third of the improvement. But I eat a lot more now, and I'm worried about gaining weight. But so far I haven't gained any weight at all!

I think the worst problem for me was that I was having nighttime hypoglycemia. I would go to bed with low blood sugear, which made it difficult to sleep, and then by morning I was actually somewhat depressed and found it difficult to even get out of bed. I've been eating a little cereal and milk before bed, and that has helped a lot. I also have a few peanuts near my bed just in case I wake up at 5:00 in the morning needing something to eat. (But the extra food probably would not be of any help if I had not discontinued the supplement.)

I think somehow the glucoseamine/msm/chondroitin was limiting my bodies ability to utilize glucose. Now I feel like I'm running on Nitro... kind of scary, but I'm a lot happier and enjoy life 10 times more than before. I had no idea just how impaired I was from taking the supplement. And now that my blood sugar is better, I'm able to sleep more normally. Thats a win-win if my theory about the cause of DC turns out to be correct.

The whole subject of glucose levels is very complex, and the isn't even a standard test for measuring insulin resistance.

I don't even believe it's standard practice to have insulin levels checked, but it might be just as important of a measurement as the glucose levels. Maybe you should as your doctor to measure insulin levels when orders the test? In other words, I have to wonder if routine bloods could lead to a false sense of security????

I'm not a doctor, so I just don't have all the answers. If you try something and you feel better, then who's to argue that it was wrong?

01/17/04 01:36
Anon

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01/17/04 01:36
Anon

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Hokus Pokus Herbs


As we all know...there are many suspicious herbs out there that say they will cure all...we have heard lots about how they are manufactured and that some of these products may contain ingredients that may harm us... which is why many of the folks around here *don't* use them.

What I find truely facinating is that between the Peonies Forum and ours...of the few sufferers who have tried herbs/nutritionals suppliments.. the products they report as somewhat helpful... can be linked to diabetes and/or insulin production.

The Peonies Forum currently has a discussion about 'Colchinine' and 'Wogonin'. They have also discussed the Natto plant and Nattokinase. We on this Forum have talked about Lecithin.

I'm not saying the theory 'Insulin Deficiency Syndrome' (IDS) that has been presented is correct...it needs to be researched....what I am saying is that my
eye-brows are being raised by all of this.

Now don't go nuts and rush out to your local Hokus Pokus Herbal store and get yourself a pile of these products; just think of talking to your doctor about 'Pre'Diabetes'. The American Diabetes Association has information that you can look at....ie: have you had any of the problems listed under 'Complications'.

As for me...I'm wondering if DC, and Peonies are a symptom of Pre-diabetes, or Diabetes in *some people* and treating the body as if it has Pre-diabetes will affect the progression of the disease in some way.....There's so much to talk to the doctor about...research....understand.

Good luck to all.

Anon.

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