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Anybody been to Dr Zidel
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12/21/2004 23:45
BuyingRight

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12/21/2004 23:45
BuyingRight

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Anybody been to Dr Zidel

Just heard of Dr Eaton's associate .. Dr Paul Zidel. Anybody have any info or experience with this doctor on NA?

01/10/2005 23:22
Wayne Vogen

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01/10/2005 23:22
Wayne Vogen

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visit yesterday to Dr. Zidel

I just returned from having my left ring finger straightened by Dr. Zidel, and am quite happy with the result. This is the third time I have had NA on this finger, as it keeps curling. Dr. Zidel made the finger go from 70-degree curl to less than 20 degrees. He devoted 2 hours to explaining the procedure and working on the finger. It was fairly difficult because of the scar tissue from the two previous procedures, but he persisted until he got a very good result. Dr. Eaton came in three times during the procedure to discuss different ideas on how to proceed and added to the effectiveness of the treatment.

It is now the next morning, and I have had no pain, swelling or discomfort. This truly is an amazing advance for this troublesome malady. I cannot recommend Dr. Zidel and Dr. Eaton more. Since these two gentlemen are hand surgeons, they are very well qualified to determine when surgery is indicated.

I am covered by Blue Cross PPO insurance, which Dr. Zidel accepts, and the only charge was $10. West Palm Beach, the closest airport, is a Southwest city, so one can find cheap airfares. The weather was great, when my home state of California was drowning. Is this great or what?

I met a gentleman in the waiting room that started with his middle, ring and little finger of both hands completely curled into his palm. Dr. Eaton straightened one hand really well, and the gentleman had an appointment for next week to do the second hand. He was extremely excited and grateful. I was very impressed by his results.

01/11/2005 23:13
Sean 
01/11/2005 23:13
Sean 
Scar tissue

Wayne,
"It was fairly difficult because of the scar tissue from the two previous procedures, but he persisted until he got a very good result."

This is something new. I thought that was one of the advantages to NA. That you could do it several times without problems from previous procedures. Did you ask them about a fasciectomy? Could they do a fasciectomy after the scar tissue from NA?

01/12/2005 23:24
Randy H.

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01/12/2005 23:24
Randy H.

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Sean: Get a Clue

Sean.

I am surprised at you. You generally know your stuff, but you apparently still don't seem to get it. Listen again to what Wayne said:

"I have had no pain, swelling or discomfort. This truly is an amazing advance for this troublesome malady".

We haven't heard our pal Wayne's reply to your inquiry, but it is as plain as the scar tissue on your previously operated hand that the "previous procedures" Wayne is referring to are his two "Open Surgeries". What he refers to as "amazing" is the difference in the lack of trauma that NA provides compared to the two Traditional Invasive Surgeries he has endured and the resulting scar tissue. The normal scar tissue resulting from such "Open" previous surgeries can prevent subsequent attempts at NA, not the other way around! What Wayne is excited about is that Dr. Zidel was able to overcome this in a two hour procedure (assisted by Eaton) and prevail in spite of the previous scar producing operations.

Are you reading the same testimony as I, or are you still blinded by your continued bias, keeping you from fully understanding what a great advancement NA truly is?

Wayne, forgive me from putting words in your mouth. If I am out of line and misunderstand, please correct me.

RBH

01/12/2005 23:53
Sean 
01/12/2005 23:53
Sean 
NA scarring

Randy,
I don't know how much clearer wayne could have made his statement.

he says, " This is the third time I have had NA on this finger, as it keeps curling. Dr. Zidel made the finger go from 70-degree curl to less than 20 degrees. He devoted 2 hours to explaining the procedure and working on the finger. It was fairly difficult because of the scar tissue from the two previous procedures."

He might change how he remembers his past from your prompting, but it is very clear what he said. I can't understand how you could twist his statement as meaning something different.

01/12/2005 23:09
Thad

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01/12/2005 23:09
Thad

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Surgery?

From Wayne's posting:
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It was fairly difficult because of the scar tissue from the two previous procedures,
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I assume this scar tissue was from surgery not a previously done NA procedure. Once again NA, the superior option.

01/12/2005 23:06
Randy H.

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01/12/2005 23:06
Randy H.

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Wayne where are you?

Thad,

That's what I assumed as well. However, one reading (Sean's) is that the two other "procedures" were NAs and he never had any open surgery. This would mean multiple NAs could create scar tissue that would make future NA more difficult. This would run counter to everything I've read, including what is on Eaton's web sight. Also, he says "this is truly an amazing advance" because he had no pain, swelling or discomfort the very next day. Advance over what? Again, I would assume he means an advance over Open surgery. It sure sounds like he's had experience with it.

Wayne, please clarify. But in any case, we rejoice with you that Zidel could take you from a 70 degree to less that 20!

01/12/2005 23:52
Wayne Vogen

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01/12/2005 23:52
Wayne Vogen

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NA procedure

This is the third time I have had NA on my left ring finger. Never any surgery. Wouldn't think of it. Any time you stick a needle into tissue in your finger, one is going to create scar tissue, NA included. Dr. Zidel and Dr. Eaton say that the tissue feels like rubber and is different than the unmolested tissue. Makes it a little harder to treat, but no a big deal. The scar tissue also makes the finger more tender.

HOWEVER, THE RESULT WAS GREAT, AND I CAN HAVE NA MANY MORE TIMES.

01/12/2005 23:56
Sean 
01/12/2005 23:56
Sean 
Scar tissue

Thad and Randy,
I am just going exactly by what he said. I think both of you are reading something into the statement that isn't there. He said it about as clear as it could be said. I read it and reread his message and there was no hint that he was talking about a fasciectomy. I can't imagine a person miss speaking about the procedure twice in two sentences.
For further information. What happens to the tissue after NA? It can't just go away does it? There is usually considerable diseased tissue besides the cord that is snapped. If recurrence occurred quickly, wouldn't that remaining tissue be a problem? In a fasciectomy this diseased tissue is removed. In my hand there is nothing there to indicate any Dupuytrens tissue. Actually I would be surprised if there is any scar tissue, nothing visible anyway.

01/12/2005 23:19
Sean 
01/12/2005 23:19
Sean 
NA

Randy says, "I am surprised at you. You generally know your stuff, but you apparently still don't seem to get it."
"Are you reading the same testimony as I, or are you still blinded by your continued bias?"

Randy, I'm just trying to understand this disease better. I have no idea why some of you seem to get joy out of being adversarial. It is not a problem for me, so you can continue if that is what floats your boat. I have said on many occasions that I would consider NA on my other hand, but it would be just about impossible to have better results (85 degrees to 0 degrees)than I had with my fasciectomy.

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