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02/03/2005 23:48
Jay

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02/03/2005 23:48
Jay

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Dr Keith Denkler

I must say that I am thrilled with all the attention garnered by my posting regarding my NA experience with Dr. Denkler. It brought out the self proclaimed "experts" and thankfully induced Dr Denkler to again try to bring enlightenment to the discussion.

I think all of you out there who think "Parisian training" is essential to annoint an NA practioner should recall or know that Dr Eaton performed his first NA procedure on a patient who believed she was to undergo open hand surgery. This patient nagged Dr Eaton about NA and he decided to give it a try unbeknownst to the patient. After successfully releasing her fingers he decided that NA had value as a treatment and since he knew nothing about it he decided to learn more and spent 3-4 days in Paris. And for this "training" you folks perceive expertise. Needless to say Dr Eaton is a reknowned hand surgeon and adapting NA to his knowledge of Dupuytren's and hand anatomy was not very difficult. I don't know how many of you have spoken with Dr Eaton, but I have; once before he went to Paris and after his return. Having underwent NA I encouraged him to incorporate the procedure in his practice and am gratified to know how successful he has become.

Since my NA in August 2003 I have spoken to many hand surgeons and when I first read about Dr Denkler on this forum I made an appointment to see him. He knew about NA long before I met him, and by now you know his credentials. Meet him in person or call him and I'm sure you will forgive his lack of "Paris training". Also I think it ironic that Dr Denkler did over 100 NA procedures before Dr Eaton knew anything about the technique.

02/03/2005 23:18
JERRY 
02/03/2005 23:18
JERRY 
Training

As a long time advocate of NA, I have no problem with a board certified, experienced hand surgeon utilizing this method of release, with or without French training.

My only concern is that NA will be performed by a surgeon that may denigrate the procedure. There are fine doctors and otherwise as we have learned from previous postings.

Until NA is widely accepted as a viable alternative to surgery by the medical industry we must not allow negative reaction to tarnish its excellent reputation.

Therefore, it will be incumbent upon each sufferer to select his surgeon carefully and not accept any physician that decides to perform the procedure.

02/03/2005 23:39
Butterfly Enthusiast

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02/03/2005 23:39
Butterfly Enthusiast

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You~sq~ve got my ~sq~Aye~sq~

Open Letter to all,

It is true what Dr. Denkler says, he is going to take flack from other doctors and surgeons - and we all know what that is like. We have been working hard for a long time with few little nibbles - in fact, the best we have done in the last year is get Dr. Eaton lots of patients, and attract the attention of rather bizarre little internet troll.

If Dr. Denkler has the parts to go to Dr. Dean Edell, who then agrees to put NA on television, I say we should back Dr. Denkler. Sometimes for somethings to get done we have to throw out the rule book and just go for it - and after much thought - I think is one of those occassions. After all the time I've spent on this damned computer trying to get NA known with such little result, I know in my heart that the medical community is not going to accept NA unless it is shoved down their throat.

Right now at this moment I am willing to back Dr Denkler because he personally has:

1) listened to his patient
2) investigated that patients claims
3) taken the time to talk with us
4) taken the step that we have been waiting for - a very public forum - tv - to make NA known
5) and by the looks of things....he's a damn sight more qualified to handle something like the spead of NA then me.

I think my fear at accepting this change of events has been because we had a troll who has been trying to hood-wink us at every opportuninty for months upon months. I do not want to miss -or hurt- this opportunity to spead NA because I have become jaded.

This is my decision,
God Bless you all tonight,

Butterfly Enthusiast



02/03/2005 23:10
Randy H.

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02/03/2005 23:10
Randy H.

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Followup

Dr. Denkler,

I for one am grateful that you are a hand surgeon who thinks for himself. And thanks for considering a stop in Paris.

As consumers of medical care we are at a disadvantage. On our own we have almost no gage as to which doctors to trust. That's why there a lot of lousy doctors out there still in business. The best we can do is get a referral from our own GP who we do trust. Even then, many of us have felt like lambs to the slaughter when it came to Dups, going straight to full open surgery when a safe, proven and effective alternative existed. Forgive us for being a bit gun shy. This little site has been an oasis for many seeking alternatives. We were thrilled as the continued testimonies came from Eaton's first patients. Plus, the French had given him the Thumbs Up so we could relax. We finally had our first guy. But we are a greedy lot and want a bunch more.

For lots of us it's not *really* the "Training" that is the main issue. We know that as a certified hand surgeon you could teach some of the French (who have *never* seen the inside of a hand) a thing or two. What this is about is *Trust*. Though you may be the best of the best, I'm concerned that you'll be setting a precedence for other doctors, perhaps not on your level, who see that French Certification is not needed to hang out an "NA done here" sign. As you said, this takes are great deal of training and "feel". How can we know who to trust? At the moment French Certification is *all* we have.

Thanks in advance for your consideration of this matter.

Randy H

02/03/2005 23:01
Keith 
02/03/2005 23:01
Keith 
Followup

Thanks for your consideration.
Believe me, I will get some flack, but I am used to it. Most hand docs can't believe I do most of my hand surgery in the office under local anestheia with epinephrine. Every hand and surgery textbook says don't do this, but it works great and the patients benefit. No need for hospital or anesthesia and frequently patients the patients can drive themselves home. I have done it in thousands of cases and many Dupuytren's patients. I have published articles and lectured on it but it is only rarely done by my fellow doctors. Luckily the tide is slowly changing and it will benefit the health care system and patients to the tune of thousands of dollars.

As to NA being on TV, my belief it will make more patients aware of the potential and they will ask around or search the internet as to where it is available. Then they can use free choice to go to where they are most comfortable.
Keith

02/04/2005 23:00
Tommy

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02/04/2005 23:00
Tommy

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Dr. Denkler

I plan to call Dr. Denkler's office on Monday morning regarding the NA procedure. In the meantime does anyone know if he accepts Blue Cross-Blue Shield PPO?

02/04/2005 23:43
Butterfly Enthusiast

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02/04/2005 23:43
Butterfly Enthusiast

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research

Dear Dr Denkler,

I am not sure if you are aware of this but the National Institute for Clinical Excellence (NICE) has looked in to NF which we call NA and have approved it publicaly.

I moved the thread and responses about it to the top.
Their website can be found through Google and how they word their acceptance might be helpful for the spead of NA as a respectale procedure.

Butterfly

02/04/2005 23:44
Butterfly Enthusiast

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02/04/2005 23:44
Butterfly Enthusiast

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oops forgot to add this

The name of the thread is 'For British Patients'

02/07/2005 23:26
david 
02/07/2005 23:26
david 
Doctor William Bourland

Doctor William Bourland, Memphis, Tennessee performed the Needle Aproneurotomy on both hands/fingers (Of course not on the same day). The results to date are fantastic. My recommendation to anyone that has DC/DD go for the NA procedure, not surgery, unless it is absolutely necessary. May all with DC have the great results that I have had. I had rather have fifty (50) NAs than one surgery for DC. Thatis one of the advantages of NA: You can have it over and over, if necessary - no so with surgery. NA has several other advantages over surgery that you may want
to research.

02/08/2005 23:00
Mr. Hat

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02/08/2005 23:00
Mr. Hat

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How many NAs?

Greetings all....

My best estimate is:

Dr. Eaton...about 800 NAs
Dr. Zidel...about 100 NAs
Dr. Bourland...about 50 NAs
Dr. Denkler...about 20 NAs

Dr. Eaton and Dr. Zidel advertise and have many pages about NA on their web pages because NA is a big part of their buisness (and God bless them for that). Dr. Bourland and Dr. Denkler do not mention NA on their web pages because NA is a very small part of their buisness.

My estimates or rough. Please feel free to correct me.

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