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08/08/2005 23:02
Rita

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08/08/2005 23:02
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thanks

Dear Marjone,
many thanks for your reply, will act upon it.
Rita

    08/18/2005 23:42
    SteveX

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    08/18/2005 23:42
    SteveX

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    National Institute for Clinical Excellance (NICE)

    Had a look at the NICE website and the bottom line is they seem to begrudgingly accept the use of NA as a treatment (they refer to it as Needle Fasciotomy).

    Interventional Procedure Guidance 43 dated Feb 2004 states:"GUIDANCE 1.1 Current evidence on the safety and efficacy of needle fasciotomy for Dupuytren's contracture appears adequate to support the use of the procedure, provided that normal arrangements are in place for consent, audit and clinical governance".

    In another publication overview they quote a number of "Non controlled studies" including one from Badois.

    What is interesting is the comment sections from each "study" they range from - "Limited information". "unclear when complications were recorded".
    "no detail of severity of Dupuytren's contracture in the study population". "Limited information is presented on patient characteristics". And so on.

    Later today I will be emailing the Project Manager at nice.org to ask if there has been any Controlled Study made and if not, why not. Surely they must see NA/ NF treatment would be much less expensive for the NHS than OS

    SteveX

      08/18/2005 23:32
      marjorie 
      08/18/2005 23:32
      marjorie 
      NA in UK?

      Hi Steve,
      It's good to know that someone else is trying to get things moving in the UK. I have been trying for some time but cannot beleive how difficult it is to get people to listen. I have my MP working on it at the moment. I have been to Paris for NA and the doc there told me to claim the money back from the NHS. I am in the process of doing this and my case is to be heard next month, but, my PCT has informed me that there is a Consultant at my local hospital who is performing what he calls a simple fasciotomy so I think I will lose my appeal. I am trying to find out more about this simple fasciotomy which is not done by needle but with a stitch cutter. I am not pleased that, despite my asking about NA when I first saw a Consultant, I was not told that there was the possibility of a similar procedure. Blank walls are all I am getting but I will keep trying.

        08/22/2005 23:41
        SteveX

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        08/22/2005 23:41
        SteveX

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        NA in UK?

        Hi Marjorie, thanks for your info, You mention a consultant in your local Hospital who does NA. Can you give any more details? Sorry if you have already done so on a previous post. I was under the impression that no UK Surgeon practices this treatment.

        On the subject of NICE (National Institute of Clinical Excellance) I have not heard back yet from the Project Manager. However I also completed a form for "Suggest a Topic" on their website and have received an acknowledgement of my suggestion. They will get back to me within 6 weeks to see if they are not already dealing with this subject.

        In my suggestion, I have asked that they review their exsisting information on Needle Fasciotomy (their description of NA) as it seems to be a couple of years out of date. Also to consider DC patients experiences of this alternative treatment. I asked them to check out this forum for first hand knowledge from actual patients.

        I will wait and see what their response will be.

        Sending a letter to your MP is a good idea. Having read quite a few threads on this forum, some earlier ones dating back to 2003. I noticed patients had no choice for NA in the USA but now there are a few Doctors practicing it today... How was it acheived?

        I believe most UK hand surgeons are simply not aware of this alternative treatment for DC.

        So I agree with you, if more UK patients can refer their GP's, MP's etc to some of the websites of US or French NA practitioners, all the better.

        Best wishes SteveX

          08/22/2005 23:42
          marjorie 
          08/22/2005 23:42
          marjorie 
          UK NA treatment

          Hi Steve,
          I have asked for more info on the simple fasciotomy but have not yet had a reply. The person trying to find out more for me is a member of my local PCT. He emailed me today to say that his request for more info has not yet been answered but he will chase it up.
          The consultant who does the 'simple fasciotomy' works in Greater Manchester. I understand that the procedure is only done on certain patients but I have no knowledge of the criteria. I hope to have more info in the future.
          Doctors in the USA became aware of the NA procedure when a journalist there was trying to find a cure for his fathers Dupuytrens. The journalist found a doctor who had heard of the NA procedure and persuaded him to go to Paris for training.
          He did so, 'cured' the man, word got around and several more doctors went to Paris. I will have to search around for the details and will post again when/if I find them.

            08/22/2005 23:07
            marjorie 
            08/22/2005 23:07
            marjorie 
            UK NA treatment

            Hello again Steve.
            Web page www.local6.com
            click on site/keyword at top left of page, click on search

              08/22/2005 23:09
              marjorie 
              08/22/2005 23:09
              marjorie 
              UK NA treatment

              Hello again Steve.
              Web page www.local6.com
              click on site/keyword at top left of page, type in dupuytrens contracture, click search. There is only one result so click on that and you will get all the details.
              Sorry for the incomplete info on the previous post, my finger slipped.

                08/23/2005 23:26
                SteveX

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                08/23/2005 23:26
                SteveX

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                UK NA treatment

                Hi Marjorie, thanks for the info. I checked out the website www.local6.com as you suggested. I now understand how the US surgeons were introduced to NA treatment.

                You mentioned in your earlier post of a British Surgeon offering you "Simple Fasciotomy" Is he working in Greater Manchester, in Britain?

                  08/23/2005 23:52
                  marjorie 
                  08/23/2005 23:52
                  marjorie 
                  For Marjorie (Dr Lermusiaux)

                  Hi Steve,
                  The answer to your question is yes.
                  Are you the Steve who went from Manchester to Paris for treatment and back again in a day?

                    08/31/2005 23:31
                    ellie

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                    08/31/2005 23:31
                    ellie

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                    For Marjorie (Dr Lermusiaux)

                    Hello Majorie,

                    I have relatively mild, but significantly progressive DC in the one hand.

                    May I ask, do you consider your operation with Dr Lermusiaux to have been a success? Also, could I ask why you choose Dr Lermusiaux (and, say, not Dr Badois) to perform your NA?

                    Also, I would be most interested to hear of your any developments with your good work in having the NHS fund your operation and/or travel expenses.

                    Best Wishes,

                    Ellie.

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