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01/12/2006 23:07
Frances

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01/12/2006 23:07
Frances

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Looking for info

Hi to all fellow Canadians,

As many of you know there are rumblings from Quebec and British Columbia regarding privitized healthcare hospitals/clinics that are now up and running. I don't know a lot about it but if I'm correct the surgeons who run these hospitals have found a loophole in our laws by comparing the definition of 'elective' surgery to cosmetic surgery. Since cosmetic surgery is a personal choice and not covered under our provincial health care plans these doctors have been able to lump in surgeries for gallbladers, knees etc....so now I'm thinking...why not NA? It's lucrative and a study is on it's way....if these guys tried it maybe our healthcare system or doctors from other provinces would be more willing to accept it? I don't know but it's worth a look....

But, I googled trying to find the hospital/clinic names but was unsuccessful. Does anyone out there know the names/locations/websites?

Thanks,

Frances

01/12/2006 23:12
Frances

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01/12/2006 23:12
Frances

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Raising Awareness

I was given the name 'Cambie Surgery Centre' as a first example. The Canadian 'Readers Digest' also has an article on private healthcare called 'Shouldn't we have the right to choose'? by Karen Van Kampen

I know almost nothing about this this subject and would deeply appreciate any input from those who do. As private healthcare centres increase and gain more power, do you think it is possible that this is a faster route to use to spread NA?

Frances

01/19/2006 23:09
Lurker

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01/19/2006 23:09
Lurker

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Raising Awareness

Hi,

I did some checking since your post, my own surgeon here in Canada trained both in the US and Canada. It was his hand training that was done in the states, therefore he is a member of the American Society for Surgery of the Hand and is certified to work in both countries. If/when a presentation is done in Sept06 I will send a letter asking my surgeon to consider NA then provide him with a copy of the adjenda from the conference. He was pretty negative when I opted for NA so I'm not holding my breath. At minimum it will help raise his awareness.


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01/19/2006 23:25
Larry 
01/19/2006 23:25
Larry 
Another Perspective

Lurker,

Have you gone back to your surgeon and shown him your NA results? One picture is worth a thousad words!

I just cannot believe any hand guy could be negative about this procedure once they have seen the results. No rehab, no scars, pretty much infinite repeatability.

If they are, makes me think it's just about the $$$$$.

01/19/2006 23:32
Randy H.

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01/19/2006 23:32
Randy H.

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Another Perspective

Larry,

We have *countless* reports over the years of CHS seeing the results but remaining very skeptical. For one, they expect it to reoccur immediately, and Two, just become *one* guy in their office didn't have nerve damage, they still assume the overall rate would be unacceptable. Pointing out the French data does little to dissuade those notions. The don't trust it.

Eaton's data they *will* trust. He knows exactly what it will take to convince his own colleagues. I have shown my NA results to my CHS as well. Only because he had heard the buzz about Eaton's success from his fellow CHSs was he impressed at all. He still wanted to know exactly how long it had been, and showed some surprise that it had been nearly 1 year with no recurrence.

All that to say, whethor in Canada or the US, we will continue to move slowly unless and until Eaton is allowed to formally present his data to the Society. Then the great North American NA experiment will commence. It will rise or fall on it's own merits, which by definition means that it will succeed.

We can assume CHS will set their fees at a level they can accept. There is no overhead in doing NA other than the attending nurse that the French apparently don't use. Eaton is probably not hurting at $700 a pop.

01/19/2006 23:50
Larry 
01/19/2006 23:50
Larry 
The NA Machine

haha, well, Randy H, there is the cost of all those NEEDLES!!!!

Have you heard anymore about whether or not Eaton will be presenting his talk this year? I thought that was a given, is it that he is not ready or that they don't want to hear it?

01/19/2006 23:55
Randy H.

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01/19/2006 23:55
Randy H.

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The NA Machine

Larry,

I called his office to inquire and his gal just said that Eaton and the Powers That Be were "talking" and that they were getting "very close". She was up beat.
He stated on his web site that he would give further details *there*, so stay tuned.

Or, would someone who is going to see him soon ask him? You've got nothing better to do while lying there for 15 minutes. And it would be nice to know what # patient you are. Next.....Next.....Next.....

01/20/2006 23:00
Graeme

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01/20/2006 23:00
Graeme

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Eaton~sq~s Presentation

Randy

the American Society for Surgery of the Hand site intructs that 'abstracts' (scientific papers and exhibits), must be lodged by the 15th of February 2006. The Society will have to produce a comprehensive programme for this conference, detailing speakers/presenters etc., their qualifications and subjects. All this must be put together well before September to enable members/attendees to scrutinise the agenda and decide whether to go or not. One would imagine that surgeons would want forward planning a chunk of months ahead. IMHO we must be very close to knowing whether Eaton is going ahead.

01/22/2006 23:11
Frances

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01/22/2006 23:11
Frances

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Moving to this thread

Hi all,

I used the American Society for Surgery of the Hand search engine to locate a member surgeon in our area and found that there 17 members in Ontario. If there is a presentation of NA to the ASSH, some of those surgeons may be going to the annual meeting. Perhaps a letter in advance that reads something like this might be helpful...

'It has come to our attention that the American Society for Surgery of the Hand is holding its annual meeting in Washington DC Sept 2006 and during this event a presentation regarding NA is being offered. As a Ontario DC patient who traveled to Europte to receive NA I would support NA here in Ontario. It is an inexpensive, timesaving, effective treatment.'.

That was just a quick draft. I'm not a smooth writer so if anyone can write then post a better letter that would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Frances

01/23/2006 23:24
Frances

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01/23/2006 23:24
Frances

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Taking Charge

Hi all,

As you know I 'm looking to interest surgeons in NA who lives within Canada or in a boarder town to help reduce travel costs/time. My hope is that there will be a presentation in Sept06 and that members who live close or within Canada and are alreading planning on attending will put the presentation on their 'to do' list if they know they have people who are willing to be patients waiting for them when they get home.

The search engine on ASSH is very useful indeed. I found that there are 28 ASSH members in all of Canada, and Buffalo and Detroit have 4 each.

You can click on the name then googled it to get an idea of where they are located and sometimes what their reasearch is. I found this extremely helpful because some of the surgeons are very involved in their own area of interest and are probably too busy for a flight to France.
I also searched 'Australia' and it has 9 surgeons. Perhaps our Aussies know some of them?

I don't know if this method will also work within the states itself, but it's worth a try. You might find your own surgeon is on the list and they might become amenible to learning about NA if they know you will see them.

Again....we must not get excited, this is all on *if* there is a presentation. NA is still very new and it would not be a huge shock if the ASSH were not ready to allow a presentation. So, if it falls through then we have done the research and will know how to procede when it does happen.

Frances

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