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Na treatment a few days ago
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10/29/2005 23:17
Tommy

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10/29/2005 23:17
Tommy

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oooch!

John,

Well written, though from your earlier post I thought we were going to hear a real horror story on this Halloween weekend. Your words accurately describe my session with Dr. Eaton. It was no dance around the maypole. Hey, I feel that I'm a tough guy too, though my wife begs to differ.

10/29/2005 23:45
Randy H.

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10/29/2005 23:45
Randy H.

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John

"The reason your only given a small amount is because when he starts cutting the chords he has to make sure he does not cut a nerve."

And there it is. The Magic. What most CHS don't as yet understand about his "crude" and "simplistic" procedure (Eaton's words) is that it is *not* blind after all. I think they are so accustomed to having their patients under General Anesthesia, it never occurs to them that the patients themselves can give them all the information they need to keep the procedure safe. Using the patient as their sensor, as opposed to their own eyes, must be a difficult concept to embrace.

Modern Micro hand surgery is now all about surgical microscopes. A terrific advancement to the old days. What you see is where it's at baby. But with NA....now it's all about the patient saying "I think you may be close to a nerve doc". Patients passed out on a gurney during OS wouldn't complain if you cut off their arm. The patient feedback loop during NA is a new shift to be sure.

John CT, I don't want to minimize you momentary pain for a moment. But it saved you from a chance of the permanent nerve damage that I now have from earlier OS. Trade 'ya.

I had my moments of pain from later NA as well. Too bad Pres doesn't have a good Oldies radio satiation like Eaton. Rock'n Roll and a little vallum and you can kiss months of painful recovery good by.:-)

Thanks for your description.

(Are you sure you aren't a fake poster making all this up?) :-)..........:-) Me thinks not.

10/29/2005 23:44
Alan

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10/29/2005 23:44
Alan

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John

John wrote:
"The next part and is the worst part is the doctor just takes your finger and basically just snaps it straight. The sensation is like the wire being snipped that I described before except this time it feels like a bunch of wires being snipped all at once. It’s a cracking sensation. He did this snapping thing on me twice during treatment, the last one being the worst. I hate to say this, but it REALLY hurts. A lot!!!"
Having been through NA three times with Dr. Eaton, I agree with John's description. It gets worse each time because through memory, one anticipates the unpleasant sensation one knows is soon to take place when the snapping of the chords is about to take place. The second NA session I had, the good doctor did all his snipping first and then really numbed my hand before doing the snapping--My hand was so numb I barely felt anything, but the numbness took hours to wear off and I think the few seconds of snapping under less medication is better, although one tenses his hand in anticipation of the snapping sensation after having been there before!
Alan

10/29/2005 23:35
Sherry

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10/29/2005 23:35
Sherry

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Sherry

John - Wow, what a description. I think I'm sorry I asked! What I had read before made it sound like nothing. I had to cancel my NA for Friday and tomorrow because our flight was cancelled due to the hurricane. I now have to wait until Dec. 8th and 9th. I'm a wimp and scared to death....but I just keep telling myself it will be over quickly and so much better than surgery! Now I'm going to try to block it out for awhile! Sherry

10/29/2005 23:46
John CT

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10/29/2005 23:46
John CT

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Sherry

I'm sorry my description got you thinking, but as I said before I will not BS and candy coat my experience. What's the point of doing that. An earlier poster said doctor Eaton really numbed his hand up after cutting the chords and he hardly sfelt the pain caused by the snapping of the finger. I'm sure if you talk to Dr. Eaton before hand and explain your anxiety he will do the same for you. Remember the chord cutting part does not hurt at all and that's about 95% of the treatment. Also remember that although the snapping part REALLY hurts, it is over very fast. About 1-2 seconds for each time he has to do the finger-snapping part. And the pain starts easing almost instantly and is mostly gone in about 30 seconds. Most of the intense pain that is. It continues to hurt well after the treatment, but it is very tolerable. I think I took the pain medicine the night of the treatment and the next day too, but that was it. I had my treatment on the 19th and it is still a little sore, but just a little. One must remeber this treatment causes trauma so there is going to be some soreness and after pain. There is also some slight swelling which goes away in about 3 days and then you'll have some bruising for about 5-7 days. As a last resort and Dr. Pess said he has done this 3-4 times but really hates too; is you can be put under anastesia, but for you to do this you'll have to go to the hosoital and admit yourself for out-patient surgery. But I think one would be crazy to do it this way unless you just can't force yourself to do it the preferred way in the office. Also believe it or not when doing it this way there is far more danger of snipping a nerve and a small incision has to be made as well. Sherry, I think your probably a tougher gal than you think you are. It was WELL WORTH IT going through that brief pain. Trust me, you'll be alright! John CT

10/29/2005 23:51
Randy H.

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10/29/2005 23:51
Randy H.

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Something Snappy

Sherry,

I'm beginning to suspect that, generally, Eaton uses more injected numbing agent than does Pres. Eaton must have injected me 4-5 times. My finger was so completely numb hours afterwards that I was a little concerned. It was so dead I personally didn't feel *any* pain from the snap. Eaton said something like "there we go!"......I'm lying there thinking "Really?" I had to look at it to see that something had indeed happened.

As medicine is an "Art", no two doctors will do everything quite he same way.

So I think you can avoid "snap pain", but as Alan points out, the price is paid later when your hand is still a bit numb the next day. Either way, at least you don't have to face the Hand Terrorist for the next month or so :-)

10/29/2005 23:18
Sean 
10/29/2005 23:18
Sean 
Pain

It is different for everyone, but I felt almost no pain from having a fasciectomy. I have talked to about 10 people who have had the same procedure, without pain. I think that the disservice this forum has done, is to make everyone believe that having a fasciectomy is sooo bad and sooo painful. For most people, it just isn't. Naturally, those who for one reason or another have had a bad experience, end up on a forum such as this. But out of the thousands that are done every year in the U.S., there are maybe five on this forum complaining about surgery.

It is great to have a choice of procedures, however.

10/30/2005 23:39
Tommy

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10/30/2005 23:39
Tommy

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me no like pain

I can think of far worse things than the "snap" we've been discussing. When I was a kid the dentist would only use novocaine in extreme cases. To this day I still fear the dental chair.(How ironic that I ended up as a model where my smile is seen on dental brochures thruout the U.S. Canada and Western Europe). Earlier this year I had a cystoscopy in the urologist's office and nearly went thru the roof. So compared to these memories the "snap" was not a big deal. As with most things in life the anticipation is far worse than the event.

Eaton is a down to earth person who makes you feel as comfortable as possible under the circumstances. From his intro, "Hi, I'm Charlie Eaton", to his ability to carry the conversation thruout the NA procedure, I knew that I was in the right place.

10/30/2005 23:43
Steve Abrams

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10/30/2005 23:43
Steve Abrams

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NA

When I had NA with Eaton, the most painful part was the injection of the anesthetic, which feels like an intense bee sting. The pain lasts about 20-30 seconds. I did feel some pain upon the "snap", but it wasn't that intense. Obviously this was my experience, and others may react differently to the same procedures.

Steve Abrams

10/30/2005 23:03
Sean 
10/30/2005 23:03
Sean 
NA

Randy,
You say, "No. It isn't that fasciectomy is soooo bad. It's just that those who actually perform it would *love* to have something less invasive."

The CHS have an option at this time within their expertise (until they learn NA), and that is a fasciotomy which NA is representative. The only difference is the small incision(s) made with a fasciotomy. NA is just a different method than the standard fasciotomy as practiced by most hand surgeons around the world. It is basically a value judgment of which fasciotomy procedure is the best. The next value judgment is whether the longterm effects of the fasciotomy (NA) are generally superior to the fasciectomy. At this time it can (and is) be argued either way. The general consensus is that the fasciectomy has a longer lasting solution for Dupuytren's contracture than does a fasciotomy (NA).

Dr. Eaton will have the ability to facilitate these value judgments. It will be important information for everyone with Dupuytren's.

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