Wolfgang,

I think the list of NA practitioners on your website should differentiate between those who have been Paris trained and those who have not. Better yet, I hope all the doctors listed have given permission to be listed.

Remember - someone spent almost an entire year advocating specifically for one doctor as an NA practitioner without the doctors knowledge or consent. To this date there has been no public declaration by that particular doctor that they are an NA practitioner. No website, no Paris-training, no visits to this website. We don't see posts from happy patients. I think it's important to clarify if a doctor wants to be there or not, and even more important for patients to know where and if a doctor has recieved any specific NA training.

tough guy

Hi Wolfgang,

I read your reponse about training and completely disagree. I would never send a love one to have a medical procedure by a doctor who was self taught for anything.

There have been many arguements about training on this website and are available for all to read. Patients have a right to know there is a difference and make up their own minds. Your website does not provide that opportunity - in fact your response sounds like you are comfortable in making that decision for everyone, you stated, 'What I'm aiming at is that French training is probably good but not necessarily a quality standard'.

I'm sorry but that statement is completely nuts. Everyone here has worked like dogs trying to set a standard so NA remains closed to those looking to make an easy $500/finger. Specific training in NA helps a patient separate the wheat from the chaff. Like I've pointed out before, it only takes a week....so what's the problem with asking for such a small minimum standard?

I can not support a society or website that excludes providing information about doctor training, nor can I support a non-profit organization that appears to knowingly attempt of sway public opinion. Unbiased my friend, that's what we're after. I don't want anyone to make decisions for me, that's why so many of us are so careful and ask questions.

Frances

Hi Randy,

I think it's up to the medical community to decide how to provide training to doctors who wish to learn NA and trust they will come up with something appropriate for the large numbers who *we* anticipate will be interested in learning NA. It's not up to us to say training is not important because we are not able to see how such a large task can be performed.

Malpractice insurance companies put up roadblocks for reasons. One of them is Pedigree because it *is* important. Heck, the medical community wouldn't listen to words about NA because of that very issue. We've come so far Randy, be patient. Just think of the reputation NA would get if one poorly done NA or nerve damage occured by a person who was not consciencious enough to make sure they learned how and when to perform NA correctly.

I stand by my position that patients have the right to know there is a difference between a self-taught NA practitioner and a trained NA practitioner so they can make their own choice. These are not big things to ask. Susan who posted the list of doctors made the destinction between the french trained and non-french trained doctors and many people besides myself feel the same way. A simple (FT) with an explanation will do.

Personally I'd love to be part a formalized DC movement but am not willing to give up the very thing I believe in the most to do that.

As for growling at Wolfgang, you felt my frustration and exaserbation at having to fight this fight again. It's a dead issue. There is so much information here on this website about training that Wolfgang must have anticipated an argument when he decided to exclude any reference to it - and again when he posted 'What I'm aiming at is that French training is good but not necessarily a quality standard'. With nothing yet in it's place that only leaves the self-taught and that's not acceptable.

The one major benefit to the Biospecifics website is that it is impartial and no one can make decisions for others.

D*amit I wish this hadn't happened.

Frances

Hi Randy,

Like yourself I'm concerned about NA getting out of control after the presentation. I'm betting/hoping that the conservative element of the medical community will ensure an orderly procedure is put in place for educating surgeons. They've been through this before with other new techniques so they'll find a way to make it work.

A legit non-profit organization would be helpful to patients and surgeons particularly during this time of transition and for this reason I think local chapters are a necessity. Human contact makes difference in alleviating concerns/fears. When you look at the big picture, yes we are bringing a new procedure forward, but we are also presenting a new attitude/perspective,

'My hands don't have to be perfect, I don't mind having repeat procedures (it's no different then getting my teeth cleaned every year), and yes I've accepted the reality that my DC is more then likely going to come back'.

These are big changes since we all joined this website so long ago. Huge changes. Just talking about the fact the DC comes back is big. Now knowing that there really *is* a continuum of DC severity. That females and young people get it more often then we realized. That some insurance claims have been paid for it as a disability. Some countries will consider workers comp claims if there are no obvious signs of hereditary DC. Some governments call DC rare while others call it common. These are all things that affect patients, information that we did not have a chance to get/share before, and can now pass on.

Like you I see a future, find it exciting, but also a uncertain. Trust and plug away until it unfolds is what I am going to do, just like what we have done in the past.

Frances