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11/26/2004 23:01
Frances

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11/26/2004 23:01
Frances

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With respect

Hi,

I'm posting Dr. Zidel's name as a topic because we all keep forgetting how to spell it. Hopefully people who get their hands done by him will post some results here. He is after all - one of only *two* NA trained doctors in the US.

Frances

11/28/2004 23:38
Jon 
11/28/2004 23:38
Jon 
NA

One of three trained "Certified Hand Surgeons," The other one is Dr. William Bourland, Memphis, Tennessee.

11/30/2004 23:02
barb u

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11/30/2004 23:02
barb u

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clarification of training-Dr. Bourland

Jon:

What is the name of the French Physician who provided the NA training? Is he in the United States or do Physicians have to travel to France for that training? Where in France
did he get trained? How many years has the training physician been doing the NA Procedures? How long has he been training other physicians?
Appreciate some more information.

11/30/2004 23:40
Frances

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11/30/2004 23:40
Frances

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Ad nauseum

How much do you get paid Jon?

Frances

11/30/2004 23:53
Imas

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11/30/2004 23:53
Imas

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Zidel

Frances, come on. Who in the world has a difficult time remembering Dr, Zidel's name. It is a rather simple five character name. Is this a prima fasia statement, or a promo statement. I'm sure doctor Zidel appreciates your viva. Do you believe that your statement re Dr. Zidel is plenary?

France, I am not picking on you, nor strain your brain, just something to think about.

Have a GREAT day!

Imas

11/30/2004 23:58
Jon 
11/30/2004 23:58
Jon 
Pay

Frances,

No pay received.

Do you get paid by the medics?

Regards,

Jon

11/30/2004 23:45
Frances

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11/30/2004 23:45
Frances

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Blatant advertising.

Switching to another nickname is not going to hide the obvious. Perhaps it is time to contact Biospecifics? There is a very clear warning against blatant advertising on this website.

Frances

12/01/2004 23:54
Imas

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12/01/2004 23:54
Imas

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Advertising/Promoting

Frances, Anon

Getting Biospecifics to take this forum off the network might be a big negative to spreading the word helping people affected with Dupuytren's Contracture find NA treatment just because some classify many comments as blatant advertising. I think many on this thread fall in your statment category including yourself. Look back at your history of promoting/advertising on this site. No doubt by doing so you have helped many patients find treatment for DC. I believe it is appropriate to look at the total picture of everyone involved including yourself (not a personal attact) - just the facts mam. If many on this forum had to plead, I wonder if they would plead guilty or not guilty to your allegation. Be it as it may many patients with DC have and are receiving treatment as a result of this form as well as spreading NA training and treatment for DC.

Have a HAPPY and JOYFUL day!

I hope that your shoulder ailment is still improving. Get well soon.

12/01/2004 23:46
Frances

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12/01/2004 23:46
Frances

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Would not shut down

Dear Imas and the MANY other nicknames you have,

The website would not shut down my friend, just the posts that are considered advertising get deleted.

Frances



12/02/2004 23:21
Randy H.

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12/02/2004 23:21
Randy H.

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The Real Question

Historical Note:

Walt Stagner and others promoted European NA and specifically Dr. Badois. Walt made a video of his procedure in France and offered it on this site. Eventually it wound up in Eaton's hands. That's the *only* reason Eaton went to Paris and is doing NA today. Walt used this site to "promote" Dr. Badois. So, promotion of certain doctors doing NA on this site is the *only* reason we currently have a NA for DC movement n the US in the first place.

The issue is not whether this site should be used to promote NA and it's practitioners, it's whether or not the US NA movement should embrace non-Paris trained doctors. I personally believe that while in it's infancy, our movement should trust only those who have been trained in France or perhaps by Eaton who is now well qualified to train as well. In time, once the practice is commonplace, Paris training will not be necessary. However, for now, when my time comes, I'm going to Eaton. If Dr. Bourland will simply go for the training like Eaton did, I'm sure there would be no complaints regarding his being promoted here.

Why so restrictive? We desperately need NA to have a great track record in the US before the Establishment will even consider it. For all we know Bourland's version of NA could be just great. BUT WITHOUT FRENCH CERTIFICATION WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING. So, for me, I choose to support only those who are willing to get the training from the guy who invented NA 30 years ago: Dr. Lermusiaux. If I want to see NA done with expertise in LA, for now I've got to sit on a longer plane flight.

Dr. Bourland, please go to France.


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