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Colagenase; ai yai, yai ai ah!
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12/23/2003 23:29
Satge One

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12/23/2003 23:29
Satge One

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Colagenase; ai yai, yai ai ah!

It occurred to me that some drug usage is demand-drivened.
Is Bo-Tox FDA approved for facial wrinkles? I do not know.
I do know that people seek out practioners who use Bo-tox.
Lately, many have expressed justifiable appreciation for
Dr. Eaton incorporating into his repitoire, NA. Well. what
if he, or someone else offered collaganase injections?
The major deterrent is liability. As Phase III studies progress, final approval may be moot; i.e., more patient
driven than FDA appoved. How long must one wait before
entrepreurial, licensed, responsible, doctors say, "this
is off-label and it works with limited, pedictable side-
effects." Just what are we waiting for? Let us begin the inquiry. If Trial III status is not forth-coming, what
hardy souls are willing to take on a few limited cases to
test the effeciacy and reliability. This is a market driven
outcome. Problems find solutions. Collagenase sounds like a
solution. The econpomics of FDA aprroval and marketing souned more problematic than the the actual implementation as safety and protocol are established.
Bottom line: maybe trial III completion is not that esssential considering other off-label usage involving drug treatment for other recognized maladies. Read the drug insert for aspirin: "up to and including death?" The track
record suggests that aspirin can kill (Reyes syndrome,) still it is universally available.
Any opinions about going to Tiajuana for DD treatment?
What is the threshold level of confidence required?
Is health insurance a major factor in decision making,
even if finances are not (insurance covers it, so it must
be safe.) Are case studies and success more compelling?
Waiting for FDA approval may be secondary to obtaining
relief for motivatd individuals.

12/23/2003 23:09
Anon Emus

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12/23/2003 23:09
Anon Emus

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Dupuytren~sq~s

With all due respect to BTC, I wonder at this point about the hoopla of utizing Collagenase as opposed to the now USA available NA procedure?

In all actuality, NA appears to be somewhat less invasive then Collagenase in the HANDS of a good surgeon.

I however would care to see Collagenase approved to allow us an alternative method of release to debilitating surgery.

12/23/2003 23:13
jim h

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12/23/2003 23:13
jim h

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Dupuytren~sq~s

Stage1, I agree. The small risks of Collagenase injections don't justify the enormous cost and endlesss delays of FDA approval.

BSTC claims to have "proprietary understanding of collagenase production" and an "extensive patent position". So this form of injectable Collagenase will come only from them, and only when they can figure out how to make a lot of money from it, one way or another.

Would I go to another country for this treatment? After the misery of 2 conventional surgeries, my answer is YES. But the practicioner would have to know what he was doing. It has to be injected into exactly the right spots, in the right quantities.







12/23/2003 23:12
Sean 
12/23/2003 23:12
Sean 
Dupuytren~sq~s

Anon Emus,
Why do you say surgery is debilitating? Did you have a bad experience that left you "crippled"? The vast majority of people who have surgery for DC are not left "crippled". NA is a very good option for people who are adverse to surgery. I had excellent results from surgery and would consider it again along with NA. The longer I go without any recurrence, the more I would consider having surgery on my other hand when it is time.

I have emailed back to six people who gave me advice about surgery before mine. These were random people (who I don't know) who advised me preceeding my surgery. All of them had very successful results and have no regrets of having the surgery.
You are misrepresenting the outcome of surgery. There are very few complaints on this world wide forum about surgery considering the thousands of procedures taking place worldwide each year. The complaints on this forum are the same people over and over (often using different names).

12/23/2003 23:55
D. Pablo A.

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12/23/2003 23:55
D. Pablo A.

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enough said

Sean/Gary's comment here is totally biased and untrue.

12/23/2003 23:59
jim h

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12/23/2003 23:59
jim h

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Dupuytren~sq~s

I used the word 'misery' to describe the surgeries, but while the total experience was rather miserable, the results were not bad.

It's all about recurrence. We need a way to contain this disease for the rest of our lives, not just a year or two. I do intend to have NA next time, but I'm not confident it will be the long-term solution.


12/23/2003 23:52
Sean 
12/23/2003 23:52
Sean 
Dupuytren~sq~s

jim h,
You are right. That is why I think it is a decision everyone has to make for themselves. There isn't a right or wrong decision that fits everyone.


12/23/2003 23:38
Anon Emus

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12/23/2003 23:38
Anon Emus

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Look at the Facts

According to Sean/Gary, everyone that posts to this forum is of a minority opinion as to benefit of having NA as opposed to the usual misery of surgery and resultant trauma.

Sean; do you receive all of your mis-information from your cousin the Podiatrist?

12/24/2003 23:51
Randy H.

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12/24/2003 23:51
Randy H.

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Look at the Facts

Sean,

Don't be silly.

The fact that this sight exists is proof in and of itself that Dups surgery is a miserable experience for just about everyone unfortunate to require it. Why does this site exist in the first place? The main purpose of the development of these new far less invasive procedures is not to reduce reoccurrence. Nope, that's not it. The purpose is not to increase the profitability per procedure for those who are, and will increasingly offer them. Nope, that's not it. Do you read the flood of positive reports coming in almost daily from those thrilled with the results they are getting from Dr. Eaton? Why are they thrilled? Is it because they like Florida, or because they've learned that their insurance will cover NA? Nope, that's not it either. Read them again. And why would Dr. Eaton visit Paris to learn and begin to practice NA? Just a good excuse to write off is trip? Nope, that's not it. Study his web site a little longer. And what exactly would drive a company like BioSpecifics to invest millions and millions of dollars on a Dups surgical alternative? What makes them think patients might prefer an injection over a perfectly good and fully invasive surgery that's been around for over 100 years? Does it have anything to do with the fact that they've had to turn people away in droves wanting to get into these trials?. What's the matter with these people! Why don't these patients just cowboy up accept their surgical fate like men (or women)!!! And why would the top micro hand surgeons at Stanford, UCLA, Northwestern want to get on board and help get create an alternative to opening up and digging around in peoples hands?

Sean, don't be silly.

Merry Christmas

12/25/2003 23:36
Sean 
12/25/2003 23:36
Sean 
Dupuytren~sq~s

Randy H,
Merry Christmas. Why the arguement? What are you trying to convince me for? I have said nothing against NA. I have said many many times that I have considered NA. I have said that it is good to have a choice. I have said that Dr. Eaton has tremendous credentials and most likely is a very good judge of when to use NA and when not to use NA. Do you think that he no longer performs surgery? Of course he still performs surgery. The surgical techniques used now don't even compare to what was used (as you say) "100 years ago". If a person wants a longer lasting solution to NA, then the likely choice might be surgery. It doesn't have to be surgery, but it might be depending on the individual. Why is that a problem. I have nothing to gain or lose if the next 1 million people choose to have NA.

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