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12/25/2003 23:08
David R

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12/25/2003 23:08
David R

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Sean/Gary wrong agagin

Wrong! Again Sean/Gary tries to promote the erroneous idea that surgery is the only way to get long term relief from DC. Sorry, wrong again, Sean/Gary.

12/25/2003 23:48
Randy H.

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12/25/2003 23:48
Randy H.

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Dupuytren~sq~s

Sean:

In truth, I'm not attempting to convince you in the least. I have a genuine concerned for the newly diagnosed and/or those facing surgery for the first time. Those fortunate enough to find this site come here looking for help, answers and advice. They've been emphatically told by any number of doctors that they must have surgery to keep from loosing the use of their hand(s). Now they find this site, the #1 source of information in existence that challenges the authority and wisdom of the doctors they trust. Why should they trust the voices of these mostly anonymous Internet posters who claim that a new but fully valid option to surgery now exists? Why should they now disregard the overwhelming opinion of the medical establishment that in most cases has it together? Tough Spot. Where to turn? What to do? And there you are, saying things like:

"There are very few complaints on this world wide forum about surgery considering the thousands of procedures taking place worldwide each year"

To those considering surgery:

I'm simply not capable of letting a thoroughly misleading and confusing statement like the above go unchallenged. Here's the actual truth, which I don't mind repeating indefinitely if necessary:

Traditional invasive Dups surgery is a miserable experience for the vast majority of those who have had it.

Until just recently there was no use complaining. We had NO alternative. Whining got you exactly nowhere. You had surgery or faced the loss of the use of your hand(s). Period. Thank God those days are gone for good! Though too new to know, the advent and spread of NA will most likely relegate surgery to the court of last appeals. Traditional surgery's value may remain only as a fall back position for the small number of cases that NA can't correct. But don't listen to me. I only wish I had found this site before going under the knife eight months ago. Listen instead to those who have experienced both surgery and NA. Keep reading. You'll find them among these posts. American surgeons may be the best in the world. But when it comes to NA, they are miserably uninformed. Don't you be.

12/25/2003 23:23
Sean 
12/25/2003 23:23
Sean 
Dupuytren~sq~s

Randy H,
Why do you find it disturbing that there are only maybe 5 people on this worldwide forum that are consistently complaining (over and over) about surgery? Wouldn't you think that if it is as bad as you and the few others keep saying, that there would be hundreds of people complaining? There are thousands of surgeries worldwide each year and less than a handful of people complaining about their outcome on this forum. I am just saying that the scare tactics used by the few on this forum are purposely misleading and do not represent most of the people who have surgery successfully.
Having said that, I'm not saying anything against NA. It is just another choice in treating Dupuytren's, just as having a fasciotomy is a choice. A fasciotomy is a very minor surgery compared to most surgeries. Actually, a limited fasciectomy is minor compared to most surgeries.

It is fine to be enthusiastic about NA, but to say that there is no place for surgery in the control of Dupuytren's Contracture seems a little bit much. But go for it if that's your thing.

12/25/2003 23:19
Sean 
12/25/2003 23:19
Sean 
Dupuytren~sq~s Contracture.

Randy H,
Let me make it perfectly clear. Even though I had very good success with having a limited fasciectomy, I would also encourage any person visiting this website to explore the alternative procedure of NA. I am not promoting any type of procedure over the other. I JUST DON"T CARE WHAT ANYONE CHOOSES FOR THEIR WAY OF DEALING WITH DUPUYTREN'S.

For me and me only, I couldn't have had a better outcome than I had by having surgery.

12/26/2003 23:24
David R.

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12/26/2003 23:24
David R.

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fortune teller

How do you know? You didn't have any other procedure!

12/26/2003 23:40
A.M.

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12/26/2003 23:40
A.M.

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I find it amazing...

...that the same few people (who have never had NA) downplay it year after year ..and years it is...because these same few people/person were around prior to my hubby having NA and that was 2001.

What fortitude and obsession that must take... to constantly, ....be quick to answer each new poster and try and make them doubt the testimonies of other DC patients who have had NA...particularly when so many people who have had NA say it works... and now... even more importantly for us folks in North America ... this same procedure is *recognized* in both Canada and the United States...even to the extent that insurance companies are paying for it.

Please. To the few folks who are relentless in criticizing NA...give it up...you are hurting fellow DC sufferers.... by attempting to sway these scared and overwhelmed people away from medically tested, proven, and approved procedures... that are being performed by qualified doctors, you are in fact interefing with doctor/patient relationship.

NA is NOT some back room hokus pokus technique that has come out of a third world county...it is a valid procedure which is being performed by qualified DOCTORS.

Right now... the constant criticizims of NA reminds me of my mothers generation when ignorant people used to insist taking out a desease tooth was better than filling it.

Simply put... Surgery when surgery is not necessary is malpractice....

By making it ones personal mission for years on end to make DC suffers doubt NA it makes me wonder about motives.

I'm tired of hearing the same drivel over and over again...and I am grateful....that I did not listen to the voices of nonsense who constantly critisize NA.

NA is very appropriate... BUT it is up to a *qualified doctor* to make the decision if it is appropriate on an individual basis.... not some person/people on a forum who thinks surgery is the best and only way.

Please...give me a break.




12/26/2003 23:53
Joanne 
12/26/2003 23:53
Joanne 
Exactly...

It is not possible for me to have NA because I have had so many surgeries and will need more. My fingers are still crippled so surgery is no cure. It would certainly be more sensible to try NA first.

12/26/2003 23:25
A.M

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12/26/2003 23:25
A.M

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Exactly...

Sounds like an informed choice that is appropriate for your situation.

A.M

12/26/2003 23:51
Anon Emus

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12/26/2003 23:51
Anon Emus

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HIM

Thank you A. M. for your appropriate post regarding the NA naysayer.

I too am tired of hearing "SURGERY WAS GOOD FOR ME".

Have a HAPPY NEW YEAR, everyone.

12/27/2003 23:46
Jake

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12/27/2003 23:46
Jake

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Sean~sq~s attention disorder

Sean,
You like attention don't you?As a kid I bet you did anything it took to get in front of the spotlight,even being naughty.As agrownup boy you are still at it,are'nt you?
Well asshole here is your daily dose!

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