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8 Months since Xiaflex
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11/03/2013 14:04
zinkadoodle 
11/03/2013 14:04
zinkadoodle 
8 Months since Xiaflex

Well, it's been almost 8 months since my participation in the multi cord Xiaflex study on my right hand. At first, I was thrilled with the results. The pain of the procedure was lousy, but doable, and I would do it again, if necessary and indicated. But here we are, almost 8 months out, and life isn't so good anymore. Immediately post Xiaflex, my contractures were reduced to 5-10 degrees on my ring finger PIP and 0 for my MCP. But, I made an appointment with the doctor because things aren't holding. Now, I'm at 25 degrees PIP and 15 degrees MCP, which in itself could indicate another round of Xiaflex. But, that's the least of my problems. Since the Xiaflex, I've developed a large and painful nodule in the center of my palm. My doc thinks that Xiaflex isn't called for because it would never fix that, and she won't do cortisone injection because she thinks it's not indicated, and won't work. Instead, she suggests that surgery would be my only option, and that maybe I should see the surgeon who operated on my left hand about 12 years ago. That was absolutely successful, and he was a great surgeon. To this day, my left hand is perfect.

So, I am going to give that surgeon a call tomorrow for a consult. My dilemma, of course, is do I live with this, because it's not really terrible at this moment given the bigger scheme of things, or undergo surgery. If I undergo surgery, it would be because waiting will only put off the inevitable, and surgery would straighten my hand as well as removing the nodule. Also, putting off surgery would mean that it would be getting worse, and therefore become a more complicated fix. Recovery from my left hand surgery was not a walk in the park. It was painful, tons and months of therapy and splints, etc. But, the results were great. This time, it would be severely compounded by the fact that 1) my hand is worse now than it was on my left hand 12 years ago, and 2) my right hand is my dominant hand.

I'm distressed. I know that there are no guarantees with surgery or with Xiaflex or anything. But, given that my biggest problem is the painful nodule, NA is not the answer. I'm not sure I'd undergo that anyway. But, the surgeon does NA, so no doubt we'll talk about it.

Anyway, that's the update and the scoop. Color me depressed...... ~~ Diane

11/03/2013 19:26
pia2some 
11/03/2013 19:26
pia2some 
Re: 8 Months since Xiaflex

zinkadoodle:
Well, it's been almost 8 months since my participation in the multi cord Xiaflex study on my right hand. At first, I was thrilled with the results. The pain of the procedure was lousy, but doable, and I would do it again, if necessary and indicated. But here we are, almost 8 months out, and life isn't so good anymore. Immediately post Xiaflex, my contractures were reduced to 5-10 degrees on my ring finger PIP and 0 for my MCP. But, I made an appointment with the doctor because things aren't holding. Now, I'm at 25 degrees PIP and 15 degrees MCP, which in itself could indicate another round of Xiaflex. But, that's the least of my problems. Since the Xiaflex, I've developed a large and painful nodule in the center of my palm. My doc thinks that Xiaflex isn't called for because it would never fix that, and she won't do cortisone injection because she thinks it's not indicated, and won't work. Instead, she suggests that surgery would be my only option, and that maybe I should see the surgeon who operated on my left hand about 12 years ago. That was absolutely successful, and he was a great surgeon. To this day, my left hand is perfect.

So, I am going to give that surgeon a call tomorrow for a consult. My dilemma, of course, is do I live with this, because it's not really terrible at this moment given the bigger scheme of things, or undergo surgery. If I undergo surgery, it would be because waiting will only put off the inevitable, and surgery would straighten my hand as well as removing the nodule. Also, putting off surgery would mean that it would be getting worse, and therefore become a more complicated fix. Recovery from my left hand surgery was not a walk in the park. It was painful, tons and months of therapy and splints, etc. But, the results were great. This time, it would be severely compounded by the fact that 1) my hand is worse now than it was on my left hand 12 years ago, and 2) my right hand is my dominant hand.

I'm distressed. I know that there are no guarantees with surgery or with Xiaflex or anything. But, given that my biggest problem is the painful nodule, NA is not the answer. I'm not sure I'd undergo that anyway. But, the surgeon does NA, so no doubt we'll talk about it.

Anyway, that's the update and the scoop. Color me depressed...... ~~ Diane

I am currently recovering from hand surgery on my right hand. It is my dominant hand as well. I had Xiaflex in the ring finger of my right hand about 1.5 years ago. Like you, the immediate results were great. But within a few months, both of my hands (no prior problem with my left hand at all!) were full of nodules and cords. It was a mess. My surgery was the typical zigzag incision on my palm and up the pinky and middle fingers. Ring finger is still okay.

This recovery is slow and long. That's for sure. I have so much scar tissue forming that it's becoming a concern since it's pulling my fingers down. I'm getting worried about it. But I'm still working with my OT twice a week. I'll be having NA on my left hand at some point. My greatest fear since having surgery, is that more nodules are going to appear. It seems when you mess with DC it flares up majorly. As least it does with me.

From my experiences, I find that the nodules tend to become less painful after time. Some quit hurting totally. Is it possible that the one in your palm may calm down and not be as painful? I'd definitely see what the hand surgeon recommends. I wonder if you could use NA to straighten the finger and see if time will help the nodule become less painful.

~ dawn

11/04/2013 01:37
zinkadoodle 
11/04/2013 01:37
zinkadoodle 
Re: 8 Months since Xiaflex

Thanks for your reply, Dawn. The surgeon who did my surgery 12 years ago now does NA, according to the hand surgeon who administered my Xiaflex treatment. She does not ever recommend NA, because she finds that the recurrence rate is so high. But, given my recurrence after Xiaflex after only 8 months, I think that's a really stupid position that she's taking. I've never had a nodule quite like this, and certainly not a painful one. So, if the pain does diminish over time, then maybe the NA is the way to go. But, I don't want to do NA, or Xiaflex every year. I think the surgery is the best option, given how successful it was 12 years ago, and the recurrence rate is less, from what I've read (and experienced), because they remove the diseased tissue. This is going be a tough decision. ~~ Diane

11/04/2013 04:09
callie 
11/04/2013 04:09
callie 
Re: 8 Months since Xiaflex

I guess both of you know what I would do. I might try NA if I had a well pronounced cord with not much other tissue involved. But my first choice is surgery. Everyone is different, but having had great success with surgery, I would go with that. Some people heal differently and don't do well with surgery and I can understand them wanting a different procedure.

I think eventually there will be data showing that there are problems with Xiaflex that all of the promotion can't cover up. That is a guess on my part, but it just doesn't seem like the great thing that is advertised for long term success. It just seems logical that diseased tissue should be removed and Xiaflex certainly doesn't do that. It seems to be just a chemical form of NA.

11/04/2013 07:06
wach 

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11/04/2013 07:06
wach 

Administrator

Re: 8 Months since Xiaflex

So far no head to head comparisons between NA and Xiaflex have been published. Results of seperate studies are difficut to compare because definitions of recurrence, observation periods and includison criteria don't match. Recurrence rates are possibly pretty similar between NA and Xiaflex.

Wolfgang

zinkadoodle:
... She does not ever recommend NA, because she finds that the recurrence rate is so high. But, given my recurrence after Xiaflex after only 8 months, I think that's a really stupid position that she's taking. .... ~~ Diane

11/04/2013 10:58
zinkadoodle 
11/04/2013 10:58
zinkadoodle 
Re: 8 Months since Xiaflex

Callie, I had great success with surgery, also, as I've already written about on numerous occasions. I just don't want to go through it again, because unlike you, recovery was kind of grueling for me. As a photographer, I'd have to put off any camera work for a number of months, likely, and that kind of kills me. I guess I could pick up my point and shoot, which is a little lightweight, but that camera makes me crazy. I need the big gun (Nikon D3s). Anyway, surgery is also not recommended until it becomes really the ONLY option, anymore, likely for good reason. But, given my success with it, and the failure of Xiaflex, I'm thinking it is my only option. Winter is the best time for me, because camera work is at a minimum. I'm a nature photographer who hates the cold. And, waiting for my hand to regress back to where it was before the Xiaflex, or worse, only means that there is less chance of restoring full function, as I understand it.

Wolfgang, it's too bad about the lack of comparative studies. Maybe, as time goes on, for how long is anyone's guess, there will be more data on Xiaflex. Seems to me, though, there should be that data already, and possibly it's the Xiaflex manufacturers who don't want to release it for obvious reasons. Are you keeping any tabs or running tallies from those who post here?

I'm calling the surgeon today. I'll keep you all posted. ~~ Diane

11/04/2013 12:37
lorraine 
11/04/2013 12:37
lorraine 
Re: 8 Months since Xiaflex

I had surgery 1 August. I am feeling very unsure of the success or otherwise of the procedure. Don't know anyone who has had this operation. I have worked with OT every week inflicting pain on myself regularly throughout the day with very little reward. Like you I feel over these passed 2 weeks I am going backwards as although in the morning after removing my splint the fingers look quite straight by the end of the day I am unable to align them with my middle and index fingers. They are contracted forward quite considerably. My abiity to make a fist has also deteriorated, not that I could get the fingers right into my palm but was progressing. I have 360 minutes a day of therapy plus massage and attempting to make a fist holding it for 30 seconds 5 repeats 5 times a day. They are the biggies, there are several other exercises as well. In between all of this I fit work into my day and on weekends I have to take my little bag of torture with me whereever I go to enable me to fit it all in. Starting to become a social recluse cause its easier to stay home. It would be comforting to know that this length of time and longer is not uncommon and ultimately a good result was achieved. OT is reluctant to comment I feel. Nerve pain has exacerbated the recovery too.

11/04/2013 15:16
callie 
11/04/2013 15:16
callie 
Re: 8 Months since Xiaflex

lorraine,

I don't buy into the "no pain, no gain" philosophy of therapy for this surgery recovery. I did my own therapy (90 degree contracture little finger) and never pushed it to any pain. I could tell when I pushed it too far in that there would be increased swelling. I concentrated on flexibility, movement and lubricated massage. My results couldn't have been better. After 12 years my finger is still zero degrees contracture and no sign of Dupuytren's.

11/04/2013 23:53
lorraine 
11/04/2013 23:53
lorraine 
Re: 8 Months since Xiaflex

Hi Callie how long did you continue with your own therapy before you had full use of your fingers and hand. At this time I still cannot use it properly with the keyborad and have become very adept typing with my first 2 fingers.

11/05/2013 01:39
callie 
11/05/2013 01:39
callie 
Re: 8 Months since Xiaflex

I was golfing in 2 1/2 months which was kind of a turning point. It was my left little finger and palm (in the surgery) which takes quite a bit of pressure in a right handed golf swing. I had a wound from the base of my palm to the last joint (DIP) of my finger. I wore a nighttime splint during that time.

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