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Just diagnosed - treatment options in UK?
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07/01/2011 05:44
grhe 
07/01/2011 05:44
grhe 
Just diagnosed - treatment options in UK?

Hi, I've just been diagnosed with Dupuytrens Disease and in my search for more information found this forum.

My condition is in the early stages - I have 2 tender nodules, both about 8mm in diameter, one on the left ring finger tendon, the other on the right little finger. I'm 50 years old, and there is a family history of DD - my father is severely affected, and it started with him when he was in his early 50s. It has been diagnosed by my GP on the basis of the clinical signs and family history.

I live in the UK and I have been told that the standard treatment available on the NHS for DD is to wait until the finger is severely contracted and then perform Needle Aponeurotomy. My GP is very helpful, and is keen to investigate other options for preventive treatment. He is plannng to speak to the surgeons at the local hospital for advice, but he was unaware of the possibility of RT until I mentioned it to him.

I am extremely keen to minimise or prevent this from developing to the contracture stage, as my job and my interests both require manual dexterity and I would in all probability not be able to continue my present work with contracture of two fingers.

Having read the information on this site, it seems as if RT might be my best option at this point, so my questions are:

Am I right in concluding that RT at this early stage provides the best chance to slow down progression of DD?

Does anyone have any experience of getting this done on the UK NHS? Or in the UK privately?

Would it be worth investigating options for treatment abroad at this stage?

Thanks in advance for any help,

James

07/01/2011 07:56
spanishbuddha 

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07/01/2011 07:56
spanishbuddha 

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Re: Just diagnosed - treatment options in UK?

Welcome James. I'm in a similar situation as you and also in the UK. Diagnosed last year.

My GP and local hand unit at the hospital both said to come back when I had a finger contraction, so that surgery could be performed, including the possibility of NA. Naturally I was not pleased with this.

Since then the collagenase injection, Xiapex in the UK, has been approved by NICE for treatment of a contraction with cord.

Also since my diagnosis, radiotherapy had been approved by NICE so in theory is available on the NHS. Radiotherapy has been shown to have the best results when done early and the condition is active. I am aware of one patient having it done on the NHS in East Anglia. In my own case although I found a radiotherapist at the local hospital to do the treatment, the Primary Care Trust were not willing to fund it until more informaton had been gathered and procedures set in place. This was at the end of last year and early this year. Feeling I had a battle on my hands (!) I had it done privately abroad this year.

Happily things seem to be changing and there's are now several clinics listed in the UK on this web site, under Treatments -> Radiotherapy -> Clinics, who are offering radiotherapy as treatment, private and NHS. So if you have growth of nodules, soreness, tingling, aching, indications that the disease is active then radiotherapy is a good option to consider in the hope of stopping the disease. There are lots of patient experiences on this site and some literature about the treatment so read up and go back fully armed to your GP.

Link to the NICE guidance http://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/IPG368

Best wishes

Edited 07/01/11 11:03

07/02/2011 10:37
grhe 
07/02/2011 10:37
grhe 
Re: Just diagnosed - treatment options in UK?

Thanks very much for that, the NICE information will be passed on to my GP and I'll see how we get on within the NHS system. It all looks much more promising than I expected.

07/08/2011 07:40
Wimbledon

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07/08/2011 07:40
Wimbledon

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Re: Just diagnosed - treatment options in UK?

Hi,

I just finished having my Radiotherapy treatment for the Dupuytrens. It works very well. I have already noticed the improvement in my fingers and more over it is non-invase aswell. In case if this fails I can always have my surgery again.
The clinic I had treatment is in Wimbledon itself so I was lucky to have found this. The name of the clinic is CCL and her is the link for it http://www.cancercentrelondon.co.uk/

Matt

07/08/2011 12:34
spanishbuddha 

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07/08/2011 12:34
spanishbuddha 

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Re: Just diagnosed - treatment options in UK?

Thanks for the feedback Matt. Did you find the clinic through the listings on this site? Was it private or NHS? Best wishes with the outcome from the treatment.

07/12/2011 14:44
Wimbledon

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07/12/2011 14:44
Wimbledon

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Re: Just diagnosed - treatment options in UK?

spanishbuddha:
Thanks for the feedback Matt. Did you find the clinic through the listings on this site? Was it private or NHS? Best wishes with the outcome from the treatment.

Yes I did find it through the listings. And it was a private clinic and thankfully my insurance company covered for it.

Matt

07/12/2011 20:41
TrevB 
07/12/2011 20:41
TrevB 

Re: Just diagnosed - treatment options in UK?

I had my RT carried out at Poole Hospital a few years ago (before NICE approved it) and if you get to that stage it seems to work. I personally wouldn't wait and hope, it's too late by then if it does progress

Cambidgeshire, UK.

07/12/2011 20:44
bstenman 
07/12/2011 20:44
bstenman 
Re: Just diagnosed - treatment options in UK?

In my own case with the Dupuytren's my treatment was delayed by more than 6 months due to a failure to diagnose my condition on the part of my physician at the time, Dr. Dawn Motyka. The effectiveness of the XRT was reduced by this delay as it seems to arrest rather than reverse the disease in most situations where there is contracture (which signals significant progression).

I ended up flying from California to Essen, Germany to see and be diagnosed and treated by Dr. Seegenschmiedt. In 2007 the first round of treatments cost me 400 Euros plus my travel expense. I would not hesitate to do this again as he has the most experience and medical care seems to be better and certainly a lot less expensive than in the USA where the second round of treatments in California cost over USD 8,000 for the same treatment.

From the UK I would probably travel by train to Essen but I would still go to see Dr. Seegenschmiedt as no one has as much experience in treating Dupuytren's with XRT.

08/22/2011 06:15
grhe 
08/22/2011 06:15
grhe 
Re: Just diagnosed - treatment options in UK?

Just an update - making no real progress in getting this treated on the NHS, despite the NICE guidance. The radiotherapist at my local hospital has flatly refused to consider RT, giving the following reasons:

Most of the literature comes from a single German institution (the one mentioned in this forum) and he does not consider the numbers to be robust or the follow up to be long enough.

He expresses concern about possible toxicities (especially sarcoma) in the longer term.

His take on the NICE guidance is that is not a recommendation for RT in early Dupuytren's, it is more of a prompt to consider the lack of evidence before employing this as a routine treatment.

Obviously that is a very negative reading of the guidance, and does not square with either my own interpretation or the general feeling here about early RT. However, it means that I have a battle on my hands to take this any further forward.


My Dupuytren's is still at the nodule stage, but seems to be progressing quite fast as I have now developed another nodule and the original one is larger and painful. There is no contracture yet, and obviously I am keen to take any measures possible to prevent or slow down progression.

Thoughts? A few of the questions I have are:

Is it correct that early RT on nodules has only limited and modest success in preventing progression?

What is the risk of a major adverse outcome, such as sarcoma?

Do the potential benefits outweigh the potential risks?

Why is there such a difference in outlook between UK and German clinics with regards to RT?

08/22/2011 07:28
spanishbuddha 

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08/22/2011 07:28
spanishbuddha 

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Re: Just diagnosed - treatment options in UK?

Welcome back James

I too have had difficulty getting my local PCT to perform RT, in this case they quoted costs and sent me a form to appeal.

There are several clinics in the UK now listed on the Treatments page that are doing RT. You could contact them and see if they will do it on NHS and if so ask for a referral from your GP. I know of at least one hospital, not listed, that has done it on the NHS.

The Professor in Germany told me that because the RT was done on an extremity, away from major organs, because he was using electron beams so very narrow and focussed without scatter, and ahem because I was in my 'senior' years the risk of having any cancer type side effect was not worth worrying about. He tried to give an example by saying, well you chose to fly here, took a train and crossed the road. The statistics for that are far more worrying. I don't know if there are any figures published for this, maybe someone else will chime in. The energy being used is very low with minimal tissue penetration and they do have experience of the risks of secondary cancers using RT more aggressively for treatment of cancer (prostate, brain, lung, etc).

RT is being performed for DD in several countries. The US, France, Germany, Australia are just the ones we know about from the Forum.

Feedback on the forum from most people who have had RT in the early and active stages are that over 1-2 years nodules soften and even shrink. But most importantly they don't progress and the disease goes from being active with many symptoms to dormant with no progression. There are a few cases reported here where the disease has recurred although it seems to be outside of the radiated area.

I guess I don't agree either with your radiotherapist's interpretation of the NICE guidance. I wonder if he has looked at the research and reports that were submitted for review during the consultation.

Best wishes

Edited 08/22/11 10:36

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