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RT advise for UK
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04/05/2018 14:31
Waves 
04/05/2018 14:31
Waves 
RT advise for UK

Hi,
Im new to this forum and looking for some advise please on getting RT on my right hand. My GP cant refer me as I live in Wales and all the RT clinics are in England. Ive been to a hand specialist when my first nodule appeared about a year and a half ago and he was not interested in Radiotherapy as he said I was too young to damage healthy tissue. His approach was to wait in till a contracture started and then use xiaflex. I thought this was fair enough as it seems it doesn't progress in some people.


Unfortunate mine has flared up and my main nodule has increased in size as well as a cord to my wrist and 2 more nodules have grown above it and I can feel one more under the skin just at the base of the pinky.
Im 27 and use my hand a lot for my hobbies (kitesurfing and climbing) and work (climbing up and down ropes and around structures with the use of power tools) which im going to give up as especially the vibration tools cause it too flare up even through gel padded gloves and my hand gets cramped and tight.


Does anybody have experience of managing to get RT in the UK privately please and what was the cost? It seems without a referral it will be hard to get it done on the nhs, especially as Nice don't really recommend it. It also seems as it is progressing that now is a good time to get it done.

Many thanks,
Waves

04/05/2018 17:59
spanishbuddha 

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04/05/2018 17:59
spanishbuddha 

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Re: RT advise for UK

Hi waves

Sorry to hear your story. The BDS lists clinics, hospitals, performing RT in the UK here http://dupuytrens-society.org.uk/treatme...-organisations/ on both the NHS and private.

You are quite young for RT but would by no means be the youngest, but the radiologist Dr you see should advise both on your suitability and the appropriateness of the timing. Although I live in the UK I was not aware of the NHS referral restriction between Wales and England. No doubt you have checked this over double so.

The private cost for a full treatment course, 2x5days several weeks apart, is approximtely £2500 for one hand, tbc by the Dr. but that’s a reasonable budgetary estimate. The treatment requires attendance 5 consecutive days, done several weeks apart, so location of the clinic and travel would be a consideration for costs and choosing. Both Dr Glees and Shaffer now have many years experience of treating using RT. The equivalent cost in Germany is approximately €600 (Euros) and with budget airfare and accommodation you could get close to the cost of doing it England.

Best wishes SB

04/07/2018 18:27
Waves 
04/07/2018 18:27
Waves 
Re: RT advise for UK

Thanks SB that's great info, i'm surprised at how expensive it is in the UK and unfortunate is way out of my financial budget.
Ive costed up Germany (Essen and Frankfurt )and like you said its getting pretty expensive with travel and accom. Has Prof. M.H. Seegenschmiedt completely stopped giving treatment now?

I'm also wondering if its possible to see a hand specialist privately who is pro RT and get a referral for RT on the nhs? I will also contact the uk Dups site and ask them. I read in another thread that nhs referral for RT can take a long time , I don't suppose you know roughly how long? It took 6 months from gp referral to see the hand surgeon so i guess it could take a fair while!

Many thanks for the help, much appreciated!

04/07/2018 18:44
Stefan_K. 
04/07/2018 18:44
Stefan_K. 

Re: RT advise for UK

Prof. S. now practices in Essen again, at Radiologie am Stern where I consulted about four months ago. Contact details under "Radiotherapy | Where". Cost there is significantly lower than previously in Hamburg.

Stef

[55, Dupuytren diagnosis 2006, RH contracture and PNF/NA 2014, radiotherapy RH 2015, LH 2017 & 2018, night splint glove RH since 2015]

04/07/2018 18:50
Londongayle 
04/07/2018 18:50
Londongayle 
Re: RT advise for UK

Hi
I’m at a similar research stage to you.
2 weeks ago I saw an NHS surgeon who “knows everything there is to know about hands” and he said “only surgery”, no option. He dismissed all other treatments for Dupuytrens. He also refused to discuss mechanical issues I have with my fingers (the top knuckles of my ring and pinky won’t bend and I can’t form a fist)

I then visited Dr Shaffer in Guildford on a free consultation and found him helpful and charming. He suggested I research my other hand problems.
His fees for RT are £2,000-£2,800 depending on which clinic you attend. It’s a lot of money but without the use of my hand, life will be difficult. I felt that 2 visits to Germany would be equally costly.

If you write to him and send photos he can at least tell you if it is worth coming along for a consultation. His secretary, Sue, is delightful.

My GP has made another appointment for me to see an Orthpaedic hand and wrist surgery next month. I will ask again about RT on the NHS.

let me know if you make any progress.

Good luck
Gayle

04/07/2018 20:09
spanishbuddha 

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04/07/2018 20:09
spanishbuddha 

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Re: RT advise for UK

Waving the latest NICE guidance under your GP’s nose might help? https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ipg573/...899872106511813 In England at least you can ask for a referral outside of your area, which is where the BDS list comes in handy. In my own case my CCG refused on grounds of cost and resource (the NICE guidance talks about follow up and ongoing evidence), so I started to escalate and appeal through their system. Months later I went private as my appeal was still in the system.

A consultation with Dr Shaffer would at least give you an indication as to whether he recommends treatment now or if you can wait. Again in my case, for one hand I was advised to wait, and this was with ProfS.

Edited 04/07/18 23:10

04/08/2018 12:28
Waves 
04/08/2018 12:28
Waves 
Re: RT advise for UK

Stef- thanks for that Its good to know that he is still treating people.

Gayle- Yes it sounds like we had similar experiences with Hand specialist, ill follow your advise and make an appointment with Dr.Shaffer, thanks for the info. Illl let you know it goes and likewise if you could let me know know how you progress with the other Orthpaedic hand and wrist surgery that would be great, cheers.

SB- thanks for the link I will go back and show my GP the paper and also found this https://www.england.nhs.uk/ourwork/part-...alth/xb-faq/#a6 which suggests it is possible to have across the boarder treatment. My problem with the hand specialist was my age at having the RT, Duputers Sociaty UK have mentioned that some oncologists have a cut of point at 40years old but I may be able to find one that doesn't, so cross fingers.

After each round of RT what isi the aftercare procedure? Ive read that moisturising the hand and 3 months of high does Vit E helps, is there anything else? Any length of time where its best to rest ect?

Thanks all for the response, much appreciated

04/08/2018 14:57
spanishbuddha 

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04/08/2018 14:57
spanishbuddha 

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Re: RT advise for UK

The RT dose is relatively low so most people don't have adverse short term effects, perhaps some redness or tanning, slight inflammation or swelling. I resumed tennis in the week after but was advised to avoid things harsher than this on the hands. The usual long term effect is skin dryness, so now I find I have to moisturise my hands in winter. Some surgeons, not familiar with the low dose might refuse to do surgery later if it becomes necessary, but I'm not aware of reports of difficulty with healing from RT for DD.

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