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New here - and awaiting fasciectomy
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07/24/2018 12:07
dupynz 
07/24/2018 12:07
dupynz 
New here - and awaiting fasciectomy

Hi everyone,
I am on a short waiting list (public health system in New Zealand) for surgery on my dominant left hand. My little finger is fairly well bent towards my palm and my ring finger less so, and I have large nodules in my palm. A skin graft is a probability. A general anesthetic will be required.
I didn't really get it seen to early enough for other treatments - my own fault! I did inquire about the Xiaflex injections when I saw the hand surgeon in the Plastic Surgery Outpatients Dept. 2 weeks ago but it has deteriorated past the point where that would be recommended, apparently. In any case I couldn't get Xiaflex through the public health system (yet) but would have to pay to have it done in the "Private" system.

My issue is that I am extremely left handed and I live alone!! I know only too well that this will not be easy, and have been practising using my right hand for all sorts of things. So many things can't be done with one hand (fastening a bra??), but I'm counting on help from my brother (not for that!) who lives a block away and two very good neighbours that I am on friendly terms with. My brother will drive me to and from the hospital and to anywhere I need to go such as the supermarket. My neighbours will doubtless open a can of soup for me etc. and one will certainly mow my tiny lawn and put out my garbage and recycling/green waste bins.

I can't deny I am quite apprehensive about coping so I'm looking for encouragement rather than doom and gloom!

Anyone else done this post-op. period alone (more or less)?

07/24/2018 13:08
wach 

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07/24/2018 13:08
wach 

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Re: New here - and awaiting fasciectomy

After surgery I felt that I could do a lot of things but not everything. Putting on jeans, cutting meat or opening our tightly locked door turned out difficult. Washing your face with one hand is an interesting excercise but managable. I don't know how long it will take after dermofasciectomy until you can use your hand again but maybe newman can speak to that.

I don't want to confuse you but have you checked on needle fasciotomy (= NA)? Recovery after surgery took quite a while for me but after NA I was OK already on the second day. In NZ we are listing for NA only Dr. Yoon https://www.dupuytren-online.info/NA_lis..._countries.html and I am not sure whether he would be treating progressed cases but maybe worth asking. You could e.g. email him a picture of your hand and ask whether he would treat you and whether it would be on the NZ health System.

Wolfgang

07/24/2018 18:47
dupynz 
07/24/2018 18:47
dupynz 
Re: New here - and awaiting fasciectomy

Hi Wolfgang,
I did have NA on that hand a year ago which helped the ring finger a bit but not the little finger - in fact that finger got a lot worse since (which probably may have happened anyway)

I think with the large nodules in my palm and the degree of curvature/bend in my little finger, surgery is the only option now, which is what the hand surgeon said.

I'm kind of hoping I'll have to wait quite a while - just because it's winter here and I'm wearing a few layers of clothing when I go out - all the more to peel off with one hand. Wearing loose fitting clothing inside doesn't appeal either!

07/25/2018 05:47
kevinp 
07/25/2018 05:47
kevinp 
Re: New here - and awaiting fasciectomy

I like you am left-handed and had a severe contracture on my little finger. After the op, that included a graft, I managed the recovery alone. I had a week off work post op. It was not easy but I soon adapted to being one handed - yes dressing was an effort and cooking - I had this planned and had plenty in the fridge for the first week. I used taxis for the second week and then when the dressing was reduced I was able to drive.

It is worth buying a plastic sleeve for your hand - this will make showering easier - or use clingfilm as I did! I am now having weekly physio to try to get full use back and to try to eliminate the last of the bent finger

Good luck

07/25/2018 11:57
dupynz 
07/25/2018 11:57
dupynz 
Re: New here - and awaiting fasciectomy

Thank you Kevinp for the encouragement

Like you did, I am making preparations about meals and stocking up on all the things I might need before i can get to a supermarket. I like to make my own meals as far as possible and can freeze all sorts of stuff.

I've become aware of several adaptations I can make as to the location of things and the containers that will be too hard to open with one hand.

Dental brushes are fortunately a substitution for flossing. Need two hands for that!

I'm amazed you could manage with only 1 week off work! I am in the fortunate position of having 64 days of (paid) sick leave saved up, and will take at least 2 weeks. I was told I wouldn't be able to drive for 2 weeks.

I will see about getting a plastic sleeve. Even a plastic bread bag secured tightly at the wrist might work.

Has you op. been a success, would you say? What about the pain, wound healing, etc.?

07/25/2018 16:16
kevinp 
07/25/2018 16:16
kevinp 
Re: New here - and awaiting fasciectomy

I needed little pain relief post op - but I did need some after the plaster cast was removed. Each case is different and I do not want you to be worried by this. But do make sure that the person who removes the plaster cast is aware of a skin graft and stitches - they thought with mine I had a broken wrist and the removal was painful!!

The success rate is variable with this op, especially as my pinky had been bent for some years. I am now doing daily physio, wearing a splint and some progress is being made. But my finger is bent but certainly better than it was. The wound has healed now too after an issue with over granulisation - but this was treated.

Yes I probably should not have been driving and more time off work would have been better but after a week of sitting I needed to get back to work/routines

My first shower with two hands was great so too returning to use my left hand for day to day things.

07/25/2018 21:40
dupynz 
07/25/2018 21:40
dupynz 
Re: New here - and awaiting fasciectomy

Thanks again, kevinp.

It sounds like a plaster cast is inevitable with a skin graft...

I was kind of hoping I might have a thumb and forefinger free to do something with on my LH, but will have to wait and see.

I wasn't told about that at the time of my interview and it never occurred to me to ask about the bandaging. I was just kind of disconcerted and distracted by the realisation that I wasn't considered a candidate for Xiaflex.

My thumb and first two fingers are unaffected but I do have large nodules in my palm under the little finger (bent at 90 degrees something PJP? haven't got the paperwork here) and some nodules under and on my ring finger.

How long ago was your op.? I haven't been following the forum till now or I might know your history.
But as you say every case is different and we would all heal differently.

I am no youngster at 69 and began to develop nodules in my left palm in my late 40s so it has progressed slowly.

I'm expectinga letter in the mail any day giving me a date with 2 weeks advance warning!

07/26/2018 08:37
kevinp 
07/26/2018 08:37
kevinp 
Re: New here - and awaiting fasciectomy

I did have my thumb and index finger to use in the plaster cast. The physio after the operation appears to be the vital part of this.

My op was 27 May and I am now back to cycling and using my hand nearly as normal. I have booked RT on my righthand to try to prevent this happening to my right hand! I have had to go private for this but want to avoid the contracture developing.

07/26/2018 15:39
newman 
07/26/2018 15:39
newman 

Re: New here - and awaiting fasciectomy

Hi ,I've had plenty of experience with Dupytrens and Ledderhose. 15 odd surgeries including 4 large skin grafts. 4 PNF's (needle release ) Radiotherapy in 2007 to both hands and feet. I don't know how good the public system is in NZ. I would not trust anyone other than a Specialist Hand Surgeon who is also a Plastics person. I would not recommend surgery.
My first two Pnf's were carried out on both index fingers in Germany with poor result. 12 months later In Australia I visited another specialist ,who used the technique on entering the pip joint creating a small hole to access the cord. He also broke the cord within the palm area. After the operation when I bent the finger I could see the end of the broken cord when I flexed the finger. I had a splint made to wear at night. It is now 4 years later and the contraction is minimal. I still wear a splint periodically . Cost was $500 out of pocket for each finger. No real down time .
You mention you have 90 degree contraction-that pretty severe. I hope you are not a diabetic. Skin Grafts on the palm do not always take and if it does not take - bad news. Remember your age !.We don't heal as good as 20 years ago. How big a graft are you having ? On my left hand the graft is 6 cm long 3 cm wide covering area on both ring and little finger from the palm to the pip joints.Scar tissue can be another problem and cause contraction. It took me 6 months to gain full strength and to make a fist. I did not have a plaster . The little finger had needles inserted on the back of the hand to hold the finger. I still have slight contraction in both little fingers today and I had less then 30 degree contraction.

I would seek a second opinion with surgeon and ask how many PNF's they have performed. Remember at your age the disease generally not so aggressive . Sorry to be negative on Surgery. That was the only option for decades.

Edited 07/27/18 21:13

07/28/2018 13:30
dupynz 
07/28/2018 13:30
dupynz 
Re: New here - and awaiting fasciectomy

Hi Newman. The surgeon who would be doing my surgery is a specialist hand surgeon and plastic surgeon and has done more of these surgeries than anyone else in my city.

I realise that surgery is not always successful by any means, just as the Xiaflex injections don't provide a good result for some people, as I have read elsewhere on this forum.
I am willing to take the chance for some improvement to my hand. I'd rather have my little finger amputated than do nothing and other therapies aren't going to do anything at this stage.

I may not be young but I'm fit and well so hopefully a skin graft will heal OK.

I had an excellent experience a few years ago through the public health system here in New Zealand when I needed a total abdominal hysterectomy. Due to a tumour it couldn't be done laporoscopically, so it involved a large incision. I had a five day stay in hospital which set me up for a good recovery and no subsequent complications. I was on a forum like this for hysterectomies both before and after my op. and that's when I realised how good my treatment was. In the US, women were obliged by their health insurer to leave hospital after a day or so for the exact same major surgery and some suffered poor wound healing, infections, subsequent adhesions or a bladder prolapse, none of which I had.
I even had a private room with an ensuite, which is not guaranteed in the public system.
If I'd had it done privately (if I had had health insurance which I haven't), it would not have got me a better surgeon. Just a slightly shorter waiting list (my wait was only 1 month from diagnosis) and the guarantee of a private room.

So - this digression is to illustrate that I'm happy to have the Duputrens surgery done through the public system.

Sorry to hear you haven't had a good outcome.

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