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04/02/2009 19:50
lori 
04/02/2009 19:50
lori 
newly diagnosed and need advice

Hi all!

I was recently (March 23) diagnosed with DC. I am attempting to figure out what to do for treatment, if any. This site is a blessing. The hand specialist I saw only discussed surgery as an option and that was only if I wanted it. His attitude was surgery is the only option and I am relieved to see that is not the case. I live in North Carolina, USA and am wondering if anyone has any feedback about radiation at the Virginia Commonwealth Univ. or the NA at Duke. I have a small lump on my right hand that is about 2 inches below my middle finger and am developing a cord from that lump to my wrist. This has developed for the last 6 months. I thought is was a callus until the cord developed. I do have pain in my shoulder and excessive use of the hand makes it ache. I am right handed and scared to death about what to do. I am 53 years old, female and very active. Reading the imput from others I am at a loss as to how to proceed or where to go. Should I wait and do nothing, or is there someone, anywhere or in any country, who is a specialist that I can see who can evaluate my symptoms and give some direction? Reading the journey of others reassures but scares me for my future. If I wait to see if it gets worse and do nothing will my options for other treatments go away so that surgery is the only option. I was so relieved to see a site that I could communicate with others about this condition, it calmed my fears down a little. The hand specialist was no help at all. I requested several times for a referral and/or other treatments and he was either unwilling or unable to do either.

By the way I was reading about others who have pain. I have an electric heated mattress pad that works wonders for that ache in my hand and shoulder. It goes away at night with all that warmth.

Thanks to all of you for your imput.

Lori

04/03/2009 00:55
flojo 
04/03/2009 00:55
flojo 
Re: newly diagnosed and need advice

Hi Lori,

I'm originally from NC - Halifax County near Roanoke Rapids. I live in So. Calif now. I still have family in various parts of NC. What part of NC do you live in?

I also was delighted to find this site. It was most helpful to have the reports directly from people about their experiences with the disease, doctors, treatments, everything. I didn't know what to do either. Mine was not nearly as bad as some (mine a Stage 1), but it still concerned me and I wanted to get treatment sooner rather than later. I emailed Dr. Keith Denkler about my hand. He said the easiest way would be for me to email pictures to him for evaluation, which I did. He said he could help including releasing my thumb.

Still not sure, I researched more, read just about everything on this site except the archives, tried to determine if Radiation Therapy/RT would be best and mulled it over and over and over. I talked with my GP who really didn't know much about Dupuytren's except to wait until your hands are very contracted then get surgery. He is open to learning and after I told him what I had found out about the alternative therapies, he thought I might be a candidate for both NA and RT. I had only a little contracture, mostly in my thumb but in my pinkie also. My understanding is that RT doesn't do anything for contracture, so I decided to go to Dr. Denkler for NA. The procudure took about 20 minutes. I did that 2 1/2 weeks ago. I kept it elevated for 3 days, kept Bacitrin on it for 12 days and began stretching it gently after a few days. I still stretch it. It is amazing. I'm educating my GP, my dermatologist and anybody else that I can who might be in a position to recommend treatment.

Now, I'm seriously considering going to Scripps in San Diego/La Jolla for RT. I have lots of nodules and I'd like to put a stop or at least slow down their progression. I'm keeping up postings by others who have had RT and see how that goes. I think I may have that done this summer.
Look at the side bar and look under the various therapies or procedures and you will find lists of doctors who do them in various parts of the USA and other countries. I looked under "NA list USA/Canada." That's how I found Dr. Denkler, but I also read great reports from people on this site who went to him. I highly recommend him. He used to do full surgery for a long time but found this helps a lot of people who have Duputren's. He is competent, responsive to emails within a day or two, personable and he has a great office staff. It doesn't hurt that his office is in Larkspur, a neat little town in beautiful Marin County, CA

Don't hesitate to email him, describe your hand and attach some pictures. He is more than willing to let you know what he can do. It sounds like yours may be early Stage 1, but he will still evaluate and not recommend anything that isn't in your best interest. His email address is kdenklermd@hotmail.com
Keep us posted!

04/03/2009 13:41
lori 
04/03/2009 13:41
lori 
Re: newly diagnosed and need advice

Hi,

Thank you for respsonding, I was so afraid no one would. I live in the Lake Norman area near Charlotte, that is why I was curious to see if anyone had been treated in Virginia or at Duke. I don't know anyone who has DC, and when I ask friends etc.. they don't know what I am talking about. Of course, I didn't either until recently.

I understand the mullling it over and over, I finally had a good night sleep after sending the request to the forum. I believe I mentally put my fate in the forums hands (so to speak) and finally relaxed.

On your research about RT did you find any information about long or short term side effects? It sounds like the NA works best on people who have contracture or is it for people like me who just have a bump and cord? I don't have contracture. The hand speacialist said it might never get to that. Is he dreaming or am I? I only have the beginning of DC and from what I can read it looks like RT might be the first step. My dilemma is, is it better to leave it alone until it progresses or not?

Thank you for the information and email address. I will take your advice and email Dr. Denkler. As my husband said if it involves travel that is what frequent flyer points are for.

I will keep you posted.

Lori

04/03/2009 13:55
wach 

Administrator

04/03/2009 13:55
wach 

Administrator

Re: newly diagnosed and need advice

Lori, for RT side effects and what is best when you might read some of the pages of this site. E.g. for RT side effects http://www.dupuytren-online.info/radioth...de_effects.html and for disease stages & therapies http://www.dupuytren-online.info/dupuytr..._therapies.html . But don't just read these pages, there's a lot of useful info all over.

Wolfgang

Edited 04/03/09 16:57

04/03/2009 15:39
lori 
04/03/2009 15:39
lori 
Re: newly diagnosed and need advice

Wolfgang,

Thank you for your information. I have printed yours and flojo site recommendations. Lots of good information. I will continue to research, believe me.

Lori

04/03/2009 22:45
flojo 
04/03/2009 22:45
flojo 
Re: newly diagnosed and need advice

Hi Lori,

Check out the posting that I just put under Re: New therapy - Dupuytren’s disease study. It's about a new product that is supposed to come out next year. It might work for both of us. I'm not sure about the nodules, but it apparently works well with cords.

As for flying over for NA with Dr. Denkler if you decide that is best for you, you'd be just across the Golden Gate Bridge from San Francisco. If you do it, plan to make it more than the procedure and have a few days in SF. The only way that you'd be affected is having to keep your hand elevated for about 3 days. That worked in my favor. It was a great traffic stopper when I wanted to cross the street. That would be a benefit in SF. It also got me early boarding when I flew home.

Flora

04/04/2009 04:11
newman 
04/04/2009 04:11
newman 

Re: newly diagnosed and need advice

Australia Calling, Hi Lori.
Being newly diagnosed with dups. ,I would recommend you read the literature under "Dupuytren Disease" 5th para written by "Luck", which is still relevant today . This will broaden your horizon on the disease. With regards to Radiotherapy it works best in the early stage before contraction. The idea is to stop the progression. It could be you may be lucky and there is no progression. It is a catch 22 . Monitor and record what is happening for future reference. However, it is an advantage to understand all about ,what options are available and should you choose RT, that you are fully informed. Read the Literature Radiation therapy-"Side Efects.""Estimated Risk of Cancer" At 53 yr the risk is very low and the dose rate is also low not like in the treatment of cancer. Prof. Seegenschmiedt recently gave permission for members of the forum to obtain a pdf of his paper Clinical Investigation using RT in the treatment of the early stages of Dupuytren. Under Literature -Radiation therapy para starting -"full text' (heavy type) there is a link to Dupuytren Society to obtain a copy. Finally I've had RT and did not notice any dryness of the skin as some patients have reported. Regards.

04/04/2009 15:08
SteveAbrams

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04/04/2009 15:08
SteveAbrams

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Re: newly diagnosed and need advice

Lori -

You are in North Carolina; Dr Eaton, the pioneer of NA use in the United States, in Jupiter, Florida which is a lot closer than Denkler in California. My guess is that he will advise you to do nothing until there is curvature, but then again neither am I a hand surgeon nor have I seen your hand.

Steve Abrams

04/04/2009 15:37
rmc

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04/04/2009 15:37
rmc

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Re: newly diagnosed and need advice

Hi,
Here is a post I left in Nov of 2008. Today unless you really look at my hand it would be hard to tell I had DC. It currently is at about 9 degrees becuase of the lenght of time it was at 90 degrees. I wouldn't hesitate to see any of the great doctors mentioned in this forum. I do like the Bay Area can't beat the wine country and food.

Little finger stage III NA Dr Denkler Larkspur
I had severe stage III dupuytrens on my left little finger with PIP joint bend of 90 degrees. On Nov 7th I flew to Dr. Denklers office in Larkspur after canceling an appointment with a surgeon in Tacoma, WA that my insurance company required me to do prior to authorizing an out of network procedure at Dr Denklers. This surgeon convinced me that because of the 90 degree bend there was a better than 50% chance NA would tear the nerve so I made an appointment for surgery to be done on Nov 14th. This surgeon advertises that he performs NA that is why my insurance sent me to him I have now found out he has never done NA or been trained, my conclusion is just get them in the door to scare them into surgery.
Below is part of an email I sent to Dr. Denkler today.
Hi,
Just wanted to let you know it is Sunday morning at 10:00 am just removed the splint from my little finger and couldn’t be any happier with what I saw. There is very little swelling and it moves I actually can close and open the finger this really surprised me that I have enough strength with the pip joint being frozen for 5 plus years that I can open and move the finger I wasn’t expecting this without therapy. The motion is limited right now but in time with therapy am hoping to gain almost full motion. There is some pain in the joint but not as bad as I expected. I would say the biggest down side to NA at your office was the traffic to Oakland Airport at 6:00 pm on a Friday evening. Again I really want to thank you and your staff for everything it seems strange but I really enjoyed the experience especially considering the alternative with surgery.

I just stumbled across this site about 2 months ago looking for an alternative or something to surgery. I also had dupuytrens 18 years ago on my right little finger after 2 operations a cast, pinned joint and 2 months of therapy did not want to go through it again. Thanks to everyone posting on this site I can sit here 52 hours after NA typing this post able to pick up a Vitamin Water with all 5 fingers NO Pain.

04/06/2009 13:36
lori 
04/06/2009 13:36
lori 
Re: newly diagnosed and need advice

Thanks to everyone for the advice. It gave me lots to think about over the weekend. I have a plan . . . sort of. I have an appointment with a doctor who specializes in treating DC in the early stages with steroids. He will take a look and advise. My file with all the articles you and the web site have recommended will go with me. Poor guy!!!

From reading yours and others histories it seems most peoples DC progresses over a long time. Mine has only been 6-7 months I hope the steroid will work.

Any thoughts or advice about steroid treatments are welcome. I feel like this is a good beginning since I do not have any contracture.

Regards,

Lori

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