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nodule and cord in finger - not palm
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12/25/2009 08:56
gecko 
12/25/2009 08:56
gecko 
nodule and cord in finger - not palm

Hello and Merry Christmas!

As a bit of background I am female, 25 years old and first developed a nodule in my left palm at 21 years old. This nodule is now quite large and I have had a cord develop aswell. There is some contracture as I can no longer place my palm flat. I also have Garrod's pads in all knuckles.

Last night I was carrying a plastic bag and noticed that just under the first knuckle of the ring finger I have a painful lump. That in itself was not so shocking, but the part that made my blood turn cold is that when I hyper-stretch that finger, I have an obvious, raised, blanched white cord extending from the base of my finger.

The similarity to the cord running through my palm on my left hand really has me concerned. But after a googling session, I have not come across to much reference to dupuytren's nodules in the fingers . . ?

I have an appointment with a hand specialist (I am in Australia) in mid-March. But to be honest, the contracture in my left hand has progressed so rapidly and I have already had to give up things I love because of the reduced sensation (lucky me - my nerves have been caught up in the nodule so I have constant tingling and loss of strength in two fingers), so the thought of having a similar thing happen in my right hand at such a young age is pretty overwhelming. Especially as the statistic for recurrence after surgery is so high. Over 50% within 5 years I believe. I am studying to be a nurse and I just dont know what this disease will do to my professional life in the future. But I am getting ahead of myself. . .

My question is, has anyone out there had experience with - or can point me in the direction of a reference to - dupuytren's in the fingers?

Thanks in advance for any replies




12/25/2009 14:31
wach 

Administrator

12/25/2009 14:31
wach 

Administrator

Re: nodule and cord in finger - not palm

Hi gecko,

nodules and cords often appear in the palm but not exclusively. I myself have a nodule just below the middle joint (PIP) of my right little finger and have several cords extending into fingers.

Wolfgang

12/25/2009 23:34
newman 
12/25/2009 23:34
newman 

Re: nodule and cord in finger - not palm

Hi gecko, Australia Calling. Can I suggest you click Dupuytren's disease( left margin) and click- literature. This page has recently unpdated. The article written (5th para) by LUCK is still relevant today. Also scroll down to BOOKs . 'Dupuytrens Disease by Raoul and others'. click -'preview with some chapters' I think you will find a wealth of info. along with photos. This is a new publication .When you seek out a surgeon find a Hand /Upper Limb surgeon and if he is also a plastic surgeon that is a bonus.Dont just go to a plastic surgeon. Have you looked at "Experience by Australian Users" .(when the home page opens click forum - it is on this page) Keep us posted.

Edited 12/26/09 01:57

12/26/2009 01:06
gecko 
12/26/2009 01:06
gecko 
Re: nodule and cord in finger - not palm

thankyou for the speedy replies!

I have read through that information, thankyou newman

So I guess it has confirmed my fear that I now have active dupc in both hands. Quite frankly, this sucks.

The appointment I have is in the plastic surgery wing of Charles Gardener Hospital, in the hand department. This will be my first appointment with a specialist - I have been on a waiting list for over a year. My dupc was misdiagnosed twice before my new GP took one look at my hand and gave the problem a name. The first GP told me the nodule was a callous and to scrub it off with a pumice stone and the second told me I needed an ultrasound to see if it was a cyst.

I used to be heavily into weight training but can no longer perform push ups or pullups due to my left hand. I also enjoyed crochet (despite my age!) but the loss of strength and control makes this very difficult.

I will push for radiotherapy for this new nodule and cord in my right hand. My left hand is past that point. From that information I see that contracture involving the pip joint is near on impossible to correct if let go too far.

Is there any questions I should ask the specialist? Or anything I should request? I would like to go in as informed as possible as it would be very disappointing to just be brushed off and told to come back when the contracture is advanced. I am regional so it is an expensive trip to the city for a 10 minute appointment anyway, not to mention the stress of driving the 700km there and back with the kids!

Cheers,
Emma

12/26/2009 05:20
newman 
12/26/2009 05:20
newman 

Re: nodule and cord in finger - not palm

Hi again.firstly your age is against you. Having dups at a young age with knuckle pads and bilateral dups is an indication that the disease is aggressive. I would be asking questions about NA. Needle aponevrotomy. (Called needle fasciectomy in OZ) You mention RT but if you were my daughter I would be negative, but that is only my opinion. I was diagnosed at 35 no surgery until 50 .I've had 15 surgeries including 4 large skin grafts. In 07 I had Radiotherapy for both hands and both feet after a repeat operation. I know that the Government Hospitals are implementing the NA procedure and a mix of the two. The hospital you mention in Perth is a large hospital. Do you know the name of the specialist. Make some calls to the hospital , so you can do some homework on the surgeon, find out if they do NA. Many of the surgeons are also in private practice. You are doing the right thing by chasing up the literature . Are your stretching your hand slowly every day , I do believe it is very important. I see you posted on Veg Diet. The 50 yr study by Erlangen University Hospital did not come up with any negatives on what we eat or drink.(in moderation) I spoke with Prof Seegenschmiedt in Germany about many of these topics and the conclusion was the disease was inherited.Regards

Edited 12/26/09 09:01

12/27/2009 23:07
gecko 
12/27/2009 23:07
gecko 
Re: nodule and cord in finger - not palm

Thankyou for the informative reply Newman. I still have much to learn about dupc, and as you know there is much conflicting advice around. I am not happy to sit and wait for my hands to further contract and then have surgery when the risk of recurrence is so high, especially when I am so young. I am potentially faced with many surgeries and skin grafts over the rest of my lifetime. I would like to be proactive and do everything in my power to slow this thing down.

I am going on a vegan diet - I know its a long shot, but I also know that I am not the norm for this disease. One site stated the average age of a woman presenting with dups is 70 years old. I will be honest though, the dietary change is more for my psychological wellbeing than anything - I need to feel in control of something and feel like I am actively doing something to help rather than just passively waiting for things to get worse.

As far as I know, no one in my family has had dup. Although, both of my grandfathers passed away in their early 50's so very well could have had the disease, but not have presented with it yet.

May I ask why you are negative in regards to RT?

I will phone the hospital today and ask about the surgeon.

Thankyou again for your patience with me and my questions

12/28/2009 04:51
newman 
12/28/2009 04:51
newman 

Re: nodule and cord in finger - not palm

Hi my concern with radiotherapy at 25 is the cancer risk is twice that of a 45 yr old. Have you looked at-' Cancer Risk Dupuytren radiation?'( Found under side effects click Radiation therapy.) It appears that 30 yrs can elapse if any problem are to arise. I had a benign skin cancer removed and I was informed it proably started more than 30 yrs ago . Might I suggest that when you go to Perth make an appontment to see Dr.Chris Harper at Royal Perth Hospital Oncolcogy .(He is listed on the Dupuytren web site .) He is also in private practice and you might see both on the same visit.I am not a doctor and my concern may be ill founded about the age factor. Lets hope that Collagenase will be the answer. I was told 30yrs ago Dups was not life threatening so no money injected for reseach. That's now changing. The average age factor for men is in the 5th decade with women in the 6th decade but further on the rate is similiar. Regards from Adelaide.

Edited 12/28/09 06:59

12/28/2009 23:59
gecko 
12/28/2009 23:59
gecko 
Re: nodule and cord in finger - not palm

Thankyou again Newman. I was under the impression the RT, with it being localised would minimise cancer risk. If I was having RT on the abdomen it would be a different story, but there are few structures that can become cancerous on the hands.

But I admit I still have much to learn.

I will continue researching and I'm sure I will come back with some final questions closer to my appointment date.

Thankyou again

12/29/2009 05:07
Rex 
12/29/2009 05:07
Rex 
Re: nodule and cord in finger - not palm

I found Dr. Dilley in Sydney on Dr. Eaton's website. I had a needle aponeurotomy from Dr. Eaton and I strongly recommend the procedure to everyone. If the folks you talk to don't perform the needle procedure - forget'em! - in my opinion they are cavemen. - Rex

Dr. David Dilley
15 Albion St.
HARRIS PARK 2150 NSW
Australia
Phone: (02) 9687 8735
Fax: (02) 9687 6947
http://www.sydneyhandsurgery.com
email manus@bigpond.com

12/29/2009 05:26
gecko 
12/29/2009 05:26
gecko 
Re: nodule and cord in finger - not palm

thankyou for those details, Rex. I appreciate it!

I am certainly willing to travel to have NA as opposed to surgery. Anywhere is a travel though as I'm in the middle of nowhere as is!

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