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Planning appointment for RT at Scripps
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06/15/2009 02:57
flojo 
06/15/2009 02:57
flojo 
Planning appointment for RT at Scripps

On 6/11/09, I went for my appointment with Dr. Tripurneni for mapping out radiation & planning for RT at Scripps. Dr. T only does non-cancerous radiation. He is very pleasant, communicative, has a sense of humor and takes time to answer all questions.

Dr. T examined my right hand carefully, marked nodule areas with his pen and compared them to the picture of markings made at initial evaluation on 4/28/09. Some nodules are larger now. Also new on my left hand is a cord going from my thumb toward my first finger, running parallel with the web. I asked Dr. T if he would do both hands at the same time. He said, “Maybe, but let’s look at the bad one first.”

Patches of nodules are in every quadrant of my palm from the middle to outside edges. Several nodules are on my thumb around the MCP joint, even on the back/top side of my thumb at the MCP joint. Nodules cover about 3/4 of my palm and no significant area without nodules. As had been my expectation, Dr. T said my whole palm needs RT. He outlined the area for RT - the whole palm barely including the MCP joints of all fingers but farther up the thumb. Since there is so much involved area on my right hand, he will not do my left hand now but consider that later. Since RT on my right palm won’t get to the nodule on the top side of my thumb, I asked if that could be done if/when I have my left hand done. He said it is possible.

Scripps protocol is 1.8 grays each day Monday-Friday for two weeks in a row (10x1.8 equals a total of 18 grays). This is less than other protocols I have seen. For my body, I want the least radiation that works.

A technician then did a CT scan on my hand, the purpose being to set the RT to go only deep enough to get the nodules. I asked if it went all the way through the hand and the technician said, “No.” She showed me the images on the computer. I could see how deep the nodules were and how close to the bone they reach. The type of radiation (as I recall, it is electron radiation.) and the intensity will be programmed to go only deep enough to get through the nodules and before it reaches the bone. (Other research at http://www.listen-up.org/med/ct_mri.htm says this about an MRI: "These images look similar to a CAT scan but they have much higher detail in the soft tissues. Unfortunately, MRI does not do a very good job with bones.”)
Quoted form the Scripps website, “CT/SIM treatment planning. For precise radiation therapy planning, we use a 16-slice wide-bore CT scanner with a large field of view.” http://www.scripps.org/locations/hospita...iation-oncology

I figure that if Dr. T has done several thousand Coronary Artery Radiation Therapy (CART) procedures, I trust him with my hand. Scripps is an outstanding medical facility and research center.

Other related information about RT and Dupuytren's research continues on the next post.

06/15/2009 03:19
flojo 
06/15/2009 03:19
flojo 
Re: Planning appointment for RT at Scripps

Scripps does RT for Dupuytren’s more and more, but non-cancerous radiation therapy is primarily for Coronary Artery Radiation Therapy (CART).

“Coronary Artery Radiation Therapy (CART)
Radiation treatments are helpful in treating patients with coronary in-stent restenosis, which can occur when a patient has had repeat angioplasty and stenting to his or her heart. Sometimes, the tissues that were disturbed by the placement of the stent begin to re-grow, and eventually can push into the stent and narrow its passageway. Scripps Clinic physicians helped pioneer the use of Coronary Artery Radiation Therapy.”
http://www.scripps.org/locations/scripps...cology/services

Dr. T does only non-cancerous radiation treatment. He has done several thousand CART procedures.

Scripps does a lot of research and they are leaders in many areas of medicine including Dupuytren’s. Dr. Eaton and Dupuytren Foundation is collaborating with Scripps on recent DNA research. See Forum entry by Dr. Eaton dated 3/15/09 17:19. http://www.dupuytren-online.info/Forum_E...75&page=1#0

Dr. Eaton's post about the DNA study with Scripps is worth quoting here:

“Dupuytren Foundation DNA study is now underway.
The Dupuytren Foundation has completed arrangements with Scripps Research to establish a DNA bank. Tiny samples of palm nodule tissue retrieved through a small incision with local anesthetic will be stored and housed by Scripps Research. Samples are obtained during needle aponeurotomy or other procedures. Scripps will make these samples available to interested researchers. __This opens up very exciting possibilities in the search for a cure.__First, it should be possible to bank hundreds of samples for analysis, greatly increasing the chances of identifying the responsible gene(s) with a real degree of certainty. Previous Dupuytren DNA studies have had access to only a handful of samples.__Second, Scripps has the technology to reproduce DNA samples. This will allow a large number of samples to be made available to any number of researchers around the world.__Third, once the relevant genes are identified, gene activation analysis can focus further research to look at specific medications which will act directly on those specific gene products. __The problem with finding a cure for Dupuytren's is that the basic biology is very similar to the normal biology of wound healing, and so most medications which would be potent enough to work are fairly toxic. We need a very specific intervention to affect the Dupuytren's in a safe way, and genetic analysis is the straightest course to do this, avoiding the need for trial and error.__This project is sponsored by the Dupuytren Foundation.__Charles Eaton MD”

Having tissue samples readily available will help any future genetic research on Dupuytren's Contracture. I think genetic research is the greatest chance for breakthroughs.

Flora

06/15/2009 12:04
lori 
06/15/2009 12:04
lori 
Re: Planning appointment for RT at Scripps

Flora,

Great information... Thanks for sharing. It answered a lot of questions for me. I go on the 24th to have my hand mapped for RT with Dr. Crimaldi in Charlotte and this gives me a good comparison. A lot to think about for the depth of the radiation nearing your bones.

Were you able to obtain a copy of your CT scan, or can they even do that? Thanks for the link, it is a good link for comapring CT vs MRI.

Lori

06/15/2009 12:35
flojo 
06/15/2009 12:35
flojo 
Re: Planning appointment for RT at Scripps

I didn't ask for a copy of the CT scan, but I'm sure it would be available. It went straight into the computer. I'll be interested in hearing about your planning/mapping appointment.

I scheduled to start my two weeks of RT on 7/6/09.

Flora

06/15/2009 16:24
Gweneth 
06/15/2009 16:24
Gweneth 
Re: Planning appointment for RT at Scripps

Flojo,

When I asked for a copy of all images taken, I was only given the images taken by camera. They did not include the CT images, and I have not had a chance to call and ask why.

By the way, if you want a copy of the medical records and images, you need to add Dr. T' staff for the images, and Medical Records for the remaining information.

Gweneth

06/16/2009 20:50
Diana 
06/16/2009 20:50
Diana 
Re: Planning appointment for RT at Scripps

Hi all. I had my apt. with Dr. T the same day Flora did. He has been the only doctor to also look at my feet which I appreciated.

I felt he was extremely intelligent and experienced with radiation, the only issue that I have is that he doesn't appear to be doing any type of formal medical study, the way Prof. Seegenschmiedt does. Also, his 2Gys of radiation per day for 2 weeks in a row (M-F, M-F) is less than Krupp hospital in Essen Germany which does 3 Gys per day M-F, waits 3 months and then does another week of same. (they also do MWFMWFM of 3 Gy per day as an alternative).

I'm all for less radiation but I guess I wish that there were statistics or some type of research to indicate that this 2Gy is better than 3Gy and that any hand issues - dryness and redness - were less/more? with his protocol.

He also did not do a CAT scan on my hand but did mark it where the radiation would go. Since this was my first apt. I don't know whether they will do a CAT scan once I make the appointment for the radiation. He felt both of my hands (and feet) and only found the 1 nodule and cord.

When I expressed concern about missing 2 weeks of work, he said that he could do 5 days of 3Gy and then for me to come back in 1 month for a checkup.

He gave me confidence that radiation is the way to go - he specializes in non-malignant radiation therapy - but I do feel a tad like a guinea pig.

Diana

06/17/2009 00:01
newman 
06/17/2009 00:01
newman 

Re: Planning appointment for RT at Scripps

Hi Diana, Australia Calling. Prof. Seegenschmiedt was doing side by side protocol 7X3 Gy or 2 sessions of 5X3 Gy. With the objective of obtaining similiar results using the ultimate low dosage. Some in the US were using a dose rate of 60 Gy. In my case my right hand only received 5X3Gy and stopped the progression and when I revisited Seegenschmiedt he made a call not to give my right hand the second dose. My index finger on the left hand and both feet received the total 30 Gy dose. I would not feel like a guineau pig. We have the same expression in OZ, however in German the saying is I dont want to be the "testing rabbit.' Regards.

Edited 06/17/09 07:04

06/17/2009 16:58
Diana 
06/17/2009 16:58
Diana 
Re: Planning appointment for RT at Scripps

Hi Newman. That is very interesting that you only had the 5 days of radiation. How long was it between the radiation and the follow-up appointment with Prof. Seegenschmiedt?

Thanks, Diana

06/18/2009 05:47
newman 
06/18/2009 05:47
newman 

Re: Planning appointment for RT at Scripps

Hi Diana . It was 3 months between visits. Infact the Prof . used to follow up at 6 weeks and then moved to a longer interval . Regards.

Edited 06/18/09 08:48

06/20/2009 14:23
Diana 
06/20/2009 14:23
Diana 
Re: Planning appointment for RT at Scripps

I just met with Dr. Chang from the Radiation/Oncology Dept. at the Palo Alto Medical Foundation offices. He is in-network with my medical group and much closer to me than San Diego where Dr. T is. I had Fedex'd his office a stack of paperwork including printed out studies on radiation therapy a few days before my apt. per his nurse's request. Dr T. also sent him the notes from our appointment.

Their department has not done radiation for Dupuytren's and we had a long apt. discussing pros and cons. At first he was inclined to have me get a steriod shot and follow that for awhile (much to my dismay) but after consulting with one of the hand surgeons he thought that was not the way to go. He is going to put in for radiation therapy to the managed care (guard dog!) of my medical group. Dr. Chang's office has lots of experience with radiation for keloid scar tisue which is good I think.

I also asked him if we went through with this treatment if he would be ok if we put his name etc. on the Dupuytren's website as another Dr. that offers this sort of therapy and he seemed interested.

Diana

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