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Radiation on both hands at the same time?
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09/04/2009 14:27
LubaM. 
09/04/2009 14:27
LubaM. 
Radiation on both hands at the same time?

A bit of my story............... I have Dups. on both hands and bottom of one foot. It started about 6 years ago in my right hand thanks to research done on this forum, I cancelled a scheduled open hand surgery and I had NA on my right pinkie PIP by Dr. Denkler in July 2007. My finger was totally straight after NA, but unfortunately it only lasted about 6-9 months before returning to pre-NA (about 50 degrees) contracture, but luckily in the last two years it has stayed at the same degree of contracture, I have small nodules in the middle of the palm of right hand. I plan to return to Dr. Denkler to re-do NA. (by the way, I believe I didn't wear my night brace long enough....only 3months.... and hope that it will be more successful next time if I wear it for longer than six months, even though I know PIP joints are harder to correct).

I always thought that Dups. can be precipitated by trauma, as I had fallen twice on my right hand in the past. However out of the blue, and without any trauma to left hand I started to develop some nasty nodules on left hand middle of the palm, at first few and soft, now getting larger and harder. No cords yet and no contracture.... Again, thanks to posts on this forum, and not wanting to wait for cords and contractures, I considered radiation and had my first appointment yesterday with Dr. Tripuraneni at Scripps in La Jolla, CA. Very impressed with him, I scheduled a mapping appointment Oct. 26 and treatment for two weeks starting November 9.

Just to share what he said.....he looked at both hands and my foot. 1) He will definitely do my left hand, where there is no contraction, as he believes the best time to do RT is when the Dups. is active (which I believe it is because I can notice the quick growth in size and hardness of nodules and also I feel itching on that palm). 2)He said to leave the nodule on my foot alone, because it is not bothering me now...I agree. 3) As far as my right hand where I have the contracted pinkie, small nodules and where I plan to re-do the NA in the near future, he said it is best to do Radiation on the hand immediately after the NA when the cords are recently cut, so as to radiate them before scar tissue forms and they get a chance to re-grow...it made sense. I will probably re-do NA with Dr. Denkler beginning of next year, and then contact Dr. T. for radiation right after that like he suggested.

He also said that he doesn't like to do RT on both hands at the same time....Has anyone had RT on both hands together? I am looking forward to my treatment in November in the hopes of halting this nasty, weird disease at least in my left hand. I would appreciate any comments/advice.

09/04/2009 20:59
LubaM 
09/04/2009 20:59
LubaM 
Re: Radiation on both hands at the same time?

Thanks Chris, I think Dr. Tripuraneni mostly didn't want to do the second hand because the Dups. on that hand is inactive at this time, the nodules have remained the same for about two years, and he feels RT is mostly effective with active Dup. Also he said its better to radiate immediately after NA. So I'll watch the progress in that hand and maybe do NA followed by RT next year.

Where did you have your RT done? who was your doctor?

09/08/2009 03:21
moondanc 
09/08/2009 03:21
moondanc 
Re: Radiation on both hands at the same time?

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Thanks Chris, I think Dr. Tripuraneni mostly didn't want to do the second hand because the Dups. on that hand is inactive at this time, the nodules have remained the same for about two years, and he feels RT is mostly effective with active Dup. Also he said its better to radiate immediately after NA. So I'll watch the progress in that hand and maybe do NA followed by RT next year.

Where did you have your RT done? who was your doctor?



Hi Luba,
I'm not Chris but I'm interested to hear Dr. T wants to radiate immediately after NA. I'm planning radiation therapy with Dr. Chang in Palo Alto-- referred to him by Diana of this forum-- and he also wants to do radiation therapy ASAP after NA-- within 72 hours. I have a planning session with him Wed for my right hand and then after I have NA on my left hand, will have RT on it. I'd love to have both hands done at once but don't want to wait until afger my LH NA and can't dop it now because of the contractures.

Diane

09/08/2009 06:11
LubaM 
09/08/2009 06:11
LubaM 
Re: Radiation on both hands at the same time?

Diane,

Glad to hear that Dr. T. and Dr. Chang are in agreement about radiation following NA...don't remember Dr. T. saying 72 hrs. but I do remember him saying ASAP after NA...My planning session for my left hand, is Oct. 26 with RT starting Nov. 9 for two weeks ..... I too plan to do NA on my right hand followed by radiation right afterwards . Keep us posted about your radiation therapy. Good luck to you!

Luba

09/19/2009 23:55
aioanne 
09/19/2009 23:55
aioanne 
Re: Radiation on both hands at the same time?

Hello LubaM

I too am considering Scripps for RT on my Ledderhose

I was wondering besides the no discomfort reason, why no RT on your foot. I am a little concerned because my nodules do not usually cause me much discomfort but not sure if they are responsible for my present bout of plantar fasciitis.

I really do want to have RT done on them regardless of whether they are causing discomfort or not, since earlier is better.

Would you mind telling me how long you have had the nodule on your foot, size and location?

Thank you





09/20/2009 01:19
flojo 
09/20/2009 01:19
flojo 
Re: Radiation on both hands at the same time?

I talked with Dr T about doing radiation on nodule on top of the thumb on my right hand when he did the palm He said if and when my left hand gets active, he would consider doing the right thumb at the same time. So, I think it is considered case by case.

09/20/2009 02:16
LubaM 
09/20/2009 02:16
LubaM 
Re: Radiation on both hands at the same time?

To: aioanne


At the initial consultation with Dr. T. we only agreed to do RT on my left hand because the nodules are getting bigger and harder (but there are no cords or contraction)...that is suppose to be the best time to do RT....Dr. T. felt that if nodules on foot don't bother me and are not growing, I should leave them alone...I'll ask him again when he does the mapping session to prepare for RT for my hand, if he can do RT on my foot.

I have had two nodules on the bottom of my left foot for about 6 years,in the middle of the arch, about the size of a penny and the second one a bit smaller. They never bother me when walking, and I too have chronic plantar fasciitis, but I never thought they were related. For the plantar fasciites I have had multiple cortisone shots, taping of foot and custom made orthodics. Perhaps having the orthodics is what takes away the pressure from the foot nodules and that is why they don't bother me. My plantar fasciitis is in remision for two years.

09/20/2009 17:42
aioanne 
09/20/2009 17:42
aioanne 
Re: Radiation on both hands at the same time?

Thank you LubaM and Flojo.

I had an itching sensation in my left hand a couple of days ago and yesterday I noticed a small nodule in the palm of my hand. I am still hoping it is my imagination but ......

I live in the Caribbean so I am now even sure if there are anyone with ledderhose and dupuytren in my island. I am Asian with no history of these diseases in my immediate family.

I have been trying to decide between Scripps and Essen. Experience is the main concern for me and I see from the Forum that many of you have been to Scripps and Essen.

If Prof Seegenschmiedt was still at Essen I would have gone to Essen - does anyone know where the Prof is now working?

Medical services here in my small country is very laid back so I went to see an Ortho Surgeon in NY. He diagnosed plantar fibroma but without an MRI. I guess firm nodules, one on each arch is conclusive enough.

How did your doctors confirm ledderhose/dupuytren? CT scan? MRI?

I know RT is new so the data is not there but did anyone ask a surgeon if surgery would be possible after RT ? or would that door be closed forever?

Also would NA be possible after RT?

Any information would be appreciated as I try to come to terms with the fact that I have these two scary diseases and that given the new development in my hand, I do not have much time to make my decision on RT

Thank you










09/20/2009 22:53
flojo 
09/20/2009 22:53
flojo 
Re: Radiation on both hands at the same time?

My Dupuytren's was diagnosed by my GP, dermatologist and my husband's orthopedic surgeon at first glance of my hand. It is classic. They did feel the nodules and cords, too, but it wasn't necessary. Scripps did a CT scan at the planning/mapping consultation. That was to determine the depth so they could set the RT to only go as deep as the nodules, but not necessary for diagnosis.

I don't think we'll hear much about NA after RT because RT seems to be stopping the progression. If it does start up again, I don't see any problem with having NA after RT. If there is contracture, it is best to have NA first according to Dr. T. Even though my cords had been released by NA, the nodules caused tightness across my palm and I had difficulty laying my hand flat for the RT. Curled up fingers would be a problem in getting RT in the right spots and at the right depth. I specifically asked Dr. T if RT could be done again after RT and he said, "Yes". His protocol uses a very low dose.

09/21/2009 06:05
wach 

Administrator

09/21/2009 06:05
wach 

Administrator

Re: Radiation on both hands at the same time?

Hi aioanne, I inserted my comments below (***).
Wolfgang

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Thank you LubaM and Flojo.

... If Prof Seegenschmiedt was still at Essen I would have gone to Essen - does anyone know where the Prof is now working?
*** he is on a 6 months research sabbatical and is currently not treating patients. I guess he will be back to clinic work early next year but ptobably not at Krupp Krankenhaus in Essen. We will certainly update our list once he treats patients again.
*** we will soon announce another two German clinics that have experience in treating Dupuytren's/Leddehose and treat foreign patients.

Medical services here in my small country is very laid back so I went to see an Ortho Surgeon in NY. He diagnosed plantar fibroma but without an MRI. I guess firm nodules, one on each arch is conclusive enough.

How did your doctors confirm ledderhose/dupuytren? CT scan? MRI?
*** normally palpation is sufficient. MRI and CT are sometimes used before radiating with electron beams.

I know RT is new so the data is not there but did anyone ask a surgeon if surgery would be possible after RT ? or would that door be closed forever?
*** surgery still feasible but make sure that the dose is 30 Gray (Gy) or less. 20 Gy should do the job and often 15 Gy is sufficient.

Also would NA be possible after RT?
*** same as surgery

Any information would be appreciated as I try to come to terms with the fact that I have these two scary diseases and that given the new development in my hand, I do not have much time to make my decision on RT
*** radiotherapy in the US typically uses electron beams, in Germany some use x-rays, some e-beams. E-beam treatment is typically 5 - 10x more expensive than x-rays with no better results for Dupuytren's. But as e-beams are more suitable for cancer that's what most clinics have.

Thank you


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