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04/17/2008 10:43
TrevB 
04/17/2008 10:43
TrevB 

Treatment of Dupytrens using radiation

Two extracts from the personal experience pages (Nigel)

3 Month Checkup – 26th April 2006
Visited Essen for a follow-up appointment with Prof. Seegenschmidt. He confirmed everything had gone well – the DC has been halted and the symptons somewhat reversed. The cord is now much flatter, the small pit that had formed has now gone (since the cord has flattened quite a lot). The nodule is a little softer and no longer hurts.

1 Year Checkup – 30th January 2007
10am on Tuesday 30th January 2007. No progression of the disease at all. The thin band that had extended from my left palm into my left little finger has gone. The main lump in the left palm has flattened and turned fairly soft. There are two small lumps where the two nodules were at the base of digits 4 and 5. Neither has progressed. The original pit has flattened also. The pattern of skin in the palm around where the pit was has now probably altered permanently. The only side effect is more dry skin in my left palm than my right. Prof Seegenschmidt recommends handcream with 4% urea (helps absorption) to be applied before going to bed each evening. The brand I got (in Essen) was Excipial.


Edited at 04/17/08 13:44

    05/13/2008 06:27
    TrevB 
    05/13/2008 06:27
    TrevB 

    Re: UK treatment of Dupytrens using radiation

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    I have today telephoned Dr Goode`s Secretary in Poole who has informed me my GP did not need to refer my case to the PCT in Oxford. All she needed to do was to refer directly to th Oncology Dept in Poole. This is good news for all of us in the UK seeking Radiotherapy treatment for Dups. Dr Goode`s secretary kindly telephoned my GP informing her of the procedure and the referral has now been made. I woulld suggest to all of you seeking this treatment to urge your GP to make a direct referral and if you need any help call Dr Goode`s secretary Ann on 01202 442690. Looks like things are moving forward in the UK.



    I that this may be the best way to approach this. I have tried e-mail and then (as suggested on here) a letter which I also copied to my GP. I've received nothing from Poole yet but I probably made a mistake by putting "in-confidence" on my letter? I did quickly receive a reply from my GP saying that it would need to be referred to the PCT which does back up the above quote.

    Personally I've always been worried about radiotherapy because I see this as serious treatment that I'm not qualified to understand. Although the dose is stated as low, the Gy does seem comparible to that used on some cancers? I had just about talked myself into it when hand surgeon popped up with a post that once again raised my concerns. I'm now still waiting and watching as my nodules slowly increase in number and size, which is another worry

    Barry Newman kindly sent me Dr Seegenschmiedt's 2001 paper. The first part that concerned me was the refererred patients who refused or did not qualify (26 of 168) following examination and counselling? Counselling never seems to get much of a mention but is an important part of the jigasw for me. What is said? Is there anything more recent than 2001 on this subject?


      05/13/2008 07:45
      philwaite 
      05/13/2008 07:45
      philwaite 
      Re: UK treatment of Dupytrens using radiation

      Seems to me that the Dupytrens clock is ticking. I'm not sure that reviewing additional scientific papers (not related to your own specific case) is the way forward. Of course, everyone should develop a thorough overview of the potential benefit vs. risk facts of each possible treatment - this step is very important. However, once this 'helicopter' view is established, my next step would be to engage with the professionals and discuss your own specific case in detail.

      The hand surgeon you met with obviously has an opinion, based on his training, expertise and experiences so far, and his thoughts and proposals are important to keep in mind. I am equally certain that an assessment meeting with Dr Goode would also give you a deep insight into an alternative approach to your specific case. There will certainly be no obligation on your part to move forward with radiation if you are not happy with the proposal. You will however, for the first time, have all the facts available on which you can base your 'going forward' decision.

      Waiting for replies to letters can be frustrating. If you can't get to the surgery, why not try to book a telephone appointment & get your GP to explain to you any bureaucratic hurdles and time-scales that might be in the way of a meeting with Dr Goode. At the Poole end, Anne, the secretary of Dr Goode, is a delight to talk to and would guide you through the admin. required at that end.

      I am due to visit Poole for my 3 month post radiation review at the end of this month. So far, the whole procedure has been very easy to cope with and virtually without discomfort. Of course, its the results that count & only time will tell if I have any benefit or not. We are all different cases and, what is effective for one case may not be effective for the next.

      The wining argument for me in favour of trying radiation continues to be that, should it not be totally effective, I can (without any disadvantage) still revert to either NA or OS at a later date.

      Best of luck

        05/13/2008 08:20
        TrevB 
        05/13/2008 08:20
        TrevB 

        Re: UK treatment of Dupytrens using radiation

        Just a couple of points Phil. I thought I read that an appointment with Dr Goode would be a Friday with a week of treatment starting on the following Monday if suitable which doesn't give much thinking time. Is that how it worked for you?

        The hand surgeon that I saw said come back when you can't put your hand flat and have surgery which will leave you with a lot of scarring. I found that very worrying as I only have the use of my right Dups affected hand and he thought the best option was to cut it up and take it out of action

        Regarding you're confidence about future surgery if radiotherapy didn't work, the post from hand Surgeon (is this a geniune person or a student ) said "I can tell you that there is a lot more diffuse scarring after the treatment which makes any subsequent treatment very difficult and the skin is of a different texture again adding to the difficulty of surgery." - is that true?

        I've been my own doctor before for minor things and found that rewarding but generally I have trouble making decisions and this is at a level I can't really cope with, at the moment anyway

        Another thing which is disappointing but I can't do much about is the fact that Poole is an unpleasant 4 hour drive on a good day but Addenbrookes is only 40 minutes away. I would imagine that Addenbrookes has suitable equipment and specialist staff who can treat benign conditions in the same skilled way that Dr Goode clearly can. Maybe one day they'll offer the service? (anyway, that's just a gripe. The important bit is above!)


        Edited at 05/13/08 12:22

          05/13/2008 09:56
          philwaite 
          05/13/2008 09:56
          philwaite 
          Re: UK treatment of Dupytrens using radiation

          Thinking time: This is really up to you and how comfortable you feel with the advice you have been given (from all sources) so far. My approach would be to get myself organised to feel comfortable and confident in making the decision, on the day, together with Dr Goode. He is a very busy guy in a very busy department mainly dealing with cancer patients. I am quite sure that he has nothing to gain by seducing you into doing something that you don’t want to do.

          I would make a concise check list of worries and then a separate check list of hoped for benefits. Go through both lists and each point together with Dr Goode and satisfy yourself that you both understand your personal concerns and hopes.

          Certainly include on your list of worries the comment from the “hand surgeon” re – skin texture. How typical is that side effect? Could be very rare – you need to ask Dr Goode. For sure he will know the answer.

          In any case, we all know the absolute certainty of irreversible texture change/scarring following OS & this effect on any subsequent operations.

          I understand that if there is to be a benefit from Radiation, it is most effective in cases where the disease is at an early stage of development. Don’t deny yourself the ‘entry’ option by delaying the consultation opportunity too long.

            05/14/2008 16:58
            Issleib 
            05/14/2008 16:58
            Issleib 
            Re: UK treatment of Dupytrens using radiation

            I have had radiation and the texture change to my skin was mild and has improved over time. I can't imagine that this would make a difference if I ever do really need surgery. I'm really pleased with my decision and results.

              09/05/2008 06:34
              Judith_Proctor 
              09/05/2008 06:34
              Judith_Proctor 
              Re: UK treatment of Dupytrens using radiation

              You expressed concern about the side-effects of radiotherapy.

              To date (a year later) I've had none at all. A very small amount of dry skin during treatment, but my skin now feels as it always did. No scarring, no problems at all.

              No loss of movement either.

                09/08/2008 13:44
                philwaite 
                09/08/2008 13:44
                philwaite 
                Re: UK treatment of Dupytrens using radiation

                Really good to hear the encouraging progress report from Judith.
                I am also really happy to confirm that my experience with radiation treatment is very positive.

                My last treatment session was 2nd week of March 2008. I have since had a review meeting with Dr Goode (Poole Hospital, Oncology Dept) and a further review meeting is planned for November.

                Here's a quick summary of my findings so far:

                • Pain or discomfort - virtually none throughout
                • Dry skin - slight issue during the treatment period but this was easily resolved by using a hospital recommended hand cream. Texture of both hands is completely normal.
                • Nodules - all 'softer', some better than others
                • Cords - I have one significant cord on my right hand stretching between the base of my thumb and index finger. This was so 'tight' that even a morning electric shave was uncomfortable. This is no longer an issue at all. The cord appears to be more flexible/soft.
                • Progression - My right hand is most affected but appears now to be relatively stable. My left hand was in the very early stages of the disease and this too seems to be very stable.

                From my own experiences so far, I can only urge anyone (particularly in the early stages of Dups) to seriously consider this non- invasive option.

                  09/08/2008 14:34
                  Wolfgang

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                  09/08/2008 14:34
                  Wolfgang

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                  Re: UK treatment of Dupytrens using radiation

                  More info on Judith's and Phil's experience is on our web page http://www.dupuytren-online.info/dupuytr...xperiences.html .

                  Thank you to both of you for sharing it with us!!

                  Wolfgang

                    09/08/2008 14:46
                    philwaite 
                    09/08/2008 14:46
                    philwaite 
                    Re: UK treatment of Dupytrens using radiation

                    Whoops - not the same Phil!

                    Hi Wolfgang,

                    Just to avoid any possible confusion, I am not the 'Philip' featured in the 'Experiences with Radiotherapy' lead articles.

                    Regards,
                    Phil Waite

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