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Alcohol any relationship to D.D.
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05/15/2013 23:51
Randy_H 
05/15/2013 23:51
Randy_H 

Re: Alcohol any relationship to D.D.

The only strong environmental relation Dups has with anything that I'm sure of is physical injury (trauma) to the hand. As I've suggested no pure scientific study will ever be done on this though there are retrospective studies. And there is ample anecdotal evidence including many on this site.

I don't think there are two "types" of Dups but rather some people's genetic predisposition is so great that it doesn't take much to trigger it. Maybe just older age as the skin begins to deteriorate. Others with a weak predisposition might only have the disease triggered after a strong trauma to the hand (like me).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8856538?dopt=Abstract

This strong of predisposition may be part of what is called the "diathesis"

Not wistanding the new study mention above, from Eaton's new site:

From Eaton's new site: http://dupuytrens.org/Whatotherconditionspredispose.html

05/16/2013 00:09
hammer 
05/16/2013 00:09
hammer 
Re: Alcohol any relationship to D.D.

Some people drink more than others,is there a connection? Who knows?If you want a glass of wine or a craft brew,have one its not gonna make that big of difference.Trauma triggers DD not booze.You can jam a finger in a door , you can have a serious cut or injure your hand.That will trigger it faster than a glass of booze will.A lot of booze will weakin your liver and make it harder for your body to process the collagen from our DD,Booze in moderation is not a problem.I kinda like it!!!!lol.Dave

05/16/2013 00:09
Seph 
05/16/2013 00:09
Seph 

Re: Alcohol any relationship to D.D.

For a long time doctors have associated DD with alcoholism. Just as those with diabetes are more likely to have DD.

I have the view that there are two types of DD. That which is simply genetic and a second type that seems to be brought on by other factors such as diabetes, alcoholism or some sort of physical trauma.

Certainly there are people with DD that don't drink. I have a few glasses of wine most days so that could be a pointer to my disease except for the fact that I developed DD and LD in my early teens and a certainly wasn't having knocking back a few shots before heading off to school.

These days my DD has patches of activity and then long periods of inactivity but my alcohol consumption does not fluctuate (A few glasses each day but no big nights) so my sense is that, for me, it is not a factor.

05/16/2013 00:31
hammer 
05/16/2013 00:31
hammer 
Re: Alcohol any relationship to D.D.

I agree Seph,Its a Personal choice.Genetics is the main factor.Trauma second and everything else is a roll of the dice!!

05/16/2013 00:35
juliebeesley 
05/16/2013 00:35
juliebeesley 
Re: Alcohol any relationship to D.D.

Thanks everyone for your input.. it really helps to share experiences. My father has a bad case of DD and so I guess in my case there is a genetic factor. My brother is a hard core alcoholic (he's 49 and I'm 50) and he doesn't have any DD symptoms at all. I'm not an alcoholic, but I do like a tipple now and then which comprises around 4-5 drinks, and I certainly do not drink everyday, maybe every week. I'm certain that there is more tingling and pain the next morning, but cant say if it gets worse.

Cheers
Julie

05/16/2013 00:58
juliebeesley 
05/16/2013 00:58
juliebeesley 
Re: Alcohol any relationship to D.D.

This article:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3592873

States this: 'Age and alcohol consumption are the best explanatory variables of DC in hospitalized patients'.

So I guess that means that alcohol does matter. Can anyone comment on this please?

Cheers
Julie

05/16/2013 01:35
Seph 
05/16/2013 01:35
Seph 

Re: Alcohol any relationship to D.D.

On my reading it simply means that old alcoholics are far more likely to have DC.

Interesting that the prevalence of DC in patients with nonalcoholic chronic liver disease was half that of the control group. I won't rush to the conclusion that liver disease without alcohol reduced the risk of DD.

The study concludes that, in their group of patients, variables that could explain DC were, in decreasing order, age, total alcohol consumption, sex (male), and previous hand injuries but they started with 9 variables. Does this mean that the other variables (manual labor, diabetes mellitus, daily alcohol consumption, duration of alcohol consumption and duration of cigarette smoking) are not factors?

05/20/2013 02:49
stephenp 
05/20/2013 02:49
stephenp 
Re: Alcohol any relationship to D.D.

There is a good, easy to read paper on the clinical associations of DD by Hart and Cooper published in Postgrad Med J 2005; 81: 425-428. I am happy to email a copy to anyone who wants one.

to quote "In summary, it seems that alcoholic patients have an increased prevalence of DD. However, in the clinical situation it should be remembered that most of those with DD are not alcoholic".

There are other associations with alcoholism such as smoking and liver malfunction.

I also think there may well be multiple strands in the eitology of DD, eg diabetics have higher prevalence of DD but the disease seems to be milder and progress more slowly.

The paper also discusses trauma, coming to the conclusion that DD is not work related but a specific injury may trigger DD in those with a family history.

In some ways these observations are consistent with microvascular changes and hypoxia triggering/affecting disease.

05/20/2013 05:09
juliebeesley 
05/20/2013 05:09
juliebeesley 
Re: Alcohol any relationship to D.D.

Thanks so much, and I would greatly appreciate the email please:
juliebeesley@hotmail.com

05/29/2013 00:57
DarrellC 
05/29/2013 00:57
DarrellC 
Re: Alcohol any relationship to D.D.

In my case, there absolutely No Question that alcohol has an effect. If I over consume (maybe 2 beers and 2 glasses of wine) I will feel it the next day. My contracture will feel like it is pulsating. It also appears to me that consumption speeds up the progression. Unfortunately, not consuming does not have the reverse affect.

All this make me feel like the dupuytrens has something to do with the function of the liver or the digestive system or both. I would really like to find a way to modify my diet to counteract the disease. Anyone had any luck in the this area?

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