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Aggressive NA--Denkler and others
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06/10/2009 23:25
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06/10/2009 23:25
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Aggressive NA--Denkler and others

I'm trying to decide on a doctor for NA procedure-both MCP & PIP joint involvement. I'm willing to travel because I really want the best with no complications although I'm closer to California. I've heard from several patients, a doctor and a physical therapist that of all the docs doing NA, Dr. Denkler is the most aggressive. AFAIK, no other docs will do more than one hand in a single day whereas Dr. Denkler has been known to do both hands and feet as well. I've also heard he has a higher complications rate possibly because he attempts things other NA docs won't.

I've not heard any complaints about Dr. Eaton and it seems he's more middle of the road, his patients love him, he has a wonderful success rate whereas a few other docs are even more conservative.

I'd really appreciate any comments about various docs and aggressive treatment, risks, etc.

Thanks

06/11/2009 04:51
diane s

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06/11/2009 04:51
diane s

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Re: Aggressive NA--Denkler and others

Dr.
Denkler is excellent. He fixed my pinkie pip joint after two open surgeries had fast recurrance. He did this with a combination of NA plus a mini surgery to remove some sneaky cords hiding behind the nerve. I am an artist and three years later, this pinkie is within a degree or two of when he fixed it. Had I gone to another surgeon, i think i would have ended up with repeated traditional surgery until there was nothing left. the possiblility of future amputation had been mentioned to me by two other surgeons which is why i decided to investigate NA and specifically Denkler since he is closest.

Dr. Denkler also subsuquently fixed a cord in between two fingers that kept them from spreading apart and took care of a large nodule in the palm using the needle. still don't understand how that worked but it sure did. while some may refer to him as aggressive, i would more describe him as creative and up to speed on the latest techniques including xiaflex. I can't speak for his complication rate but i fully trust him with my hands and think he genuinely cares about the best outcome. I know he has corrected fingers on at least 6 patients who had been told they needed amputation. Anyway, i can't say enough good stuff about dr. D and he will take all the time you need to help you. Email him some pictures of your hands and he will tell you whether its worth the trip.

diane

06/11/2009 05:47
wach 

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06/11/2009 05:47
wach 

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Re: Aggressive NA--Denkler and others

Dr. Eaton has been the pioneer for NA in the US and quite likely has the most experience. For a couple of years people from all over the US flew into Florida to be treated by Charles Eaton and patients were and are enthusiastic. As NA became more popular other doctors either got trained in France (where NA originated) or by Dr. Eaton (http://www.handcenter.org/visitors.htm) and so we now have a much longer list of clinics offering NA in the US http://www.dupuytren-online.info/NA_list_North_America.html. Both, Keith Denkler and Charles Eaton, are excellent doctors, both are research oriented and it's just great having them both available. And BTW both are surgeons, too, so they can advise what technique is best.

Wolfgang

06/11/2009 14:44
Mike S

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06/11/2009 14:44
Mike S

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Re: Aggressive NA--Denkler and others

Dr. Denkler used NA to correct my 90-95 degree PIP pinkie contracture 2 1/2 years ago. No complications. Best medical decision I ever made.

06/11/2009 19:58
nriedell 
06/11/2009 19:58
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Re: Aggressive NA--Denkler and others

I had been strongly advised to use Dr. Denkler's services. His office is about 2 hours from my home so I was willing to make the drive. When I called his office to verify my insurance I was in for a rude wakening. Dr. Denkler's office only bills Medicare. They do not bill any other insurance. I am not on Medicare. They told me that they expect you to pay for the procedure out of pocket and bill your insurance company yourself to get reimbursed. That stopped me cold in my tracks and for several reason s: 1) As a daughter of a well-respected surgeon, I have found that if a physician is not willing to bill your insurance, there is something else going on. 2) I'm having my HAND operated on; I won't be able to do the paperwork myself; 3) I didn't have upwards of $1300 out of pocket to plunk down.

The conversation I had with his receptionist rose so many red flags for me that I told her I'd check with my insurance to see if NA is even covered and get back to her. I never called her back.

Instead, I contacted my original orthopedic doctor and scheduled a surgery with him. He does not do the NA procedure as it's considered experimental (although I didn't check, I suspect my health insurance wouldn't have covered it anyway.). My doctor's name is Stefan Klein. He is with Dominican Hospital in Santa Cruz, CA. He is a Stanford med school graduate and he is VERY good. He also has an excellent "bedside manner." I recommend him in a heart beat.

06/11/2009 22:00
centered

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06/11/2009 22:00
centered

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Re: Aggressive NA--Denkler and others

Dr. Eaton worked on my hands five years ago and everything went well. My hands need more treatment so this time I am traveling to Larkspur to see Dr. Denkler. California is much closer to where I live and my family thought a vacation in San Fancisco would be great. I had to pay Dr Eaton out of pocket and I will pay Dr Denkler out of pocket. My insurance will pay about half, so this will cost quite a bit since I need to have several fingers worked on. I could go 3o miles from my home to an excellent hand surgeon and have it 90% covered, but I am not willing to have my hands cut again. NA was so easy.

06/11/2009 22:19
Randy_H 
06/11/2009 22:19
Randy_H 

Re: Aggressive NA--Denkler and others

centered:

So apparently the genius who wrote this particular insurance guideline has it such that *you* must pay to avoid Open Surgery while *they* are willing to shell out about $7,000 to have you cut open. Now that's cost effective :-). Just think how much improved this will be if health care is nationalized in the USA and some bureaucrat gets to make these rules instead! I'm sure the'll get it right. :-)

06/11/2009 22:41
brian123

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06/11/2009 22:41
brian123

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Re: Aggressive NA--Denkler and others

GET N.A. BORROW MONEY IF NEED BE.
YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY THAT IT'S AN OPTION.

06/12/2009 02:00
flojo 
06/12/2009 02:00
flojo 
Re: Aggressive NA--Denkler and others

In my personal experience, I found Dr. Denkler and all of his office staff cordial, helpful and competent. Dr. Denkler was forthcoming in our discussion. He was confident that he could help my DC but never pushed at all. NA was completely successful for me. He did the full surgery, but when he found out about NA, he sees it as a first line of treatment. That doesn't sound to me at all like aggressive.
Larkspur/Marin County is a retirement area. It makes sense that he would bill Medicare. I don't have the information at hand, but the total was under $800 including ONLY ONE visit for less than an hour and I drove home. I'd think that more severe contracture would likely cost more. My Medicare paid and my Blue Cross supplemental paid the rest. I'd pay out of pocket for NA if I had to. I have the utmost confidence in Dr. Denkler based on my personal experience.

06/12/2009 03:35
Randy_H 
06/12/2009 03:35
Randy_H 

Re: Aggressive NA--Denkler and others

Typically NA is charged by the finger, regardless of the degree of contraction. At no charge, Eaton did some palm work on tissue leading to fingers other than the one he straightened. This kind of consideration and dedication to the patient is common among American NA surgeons. I've personally met three of them and talked to a number of others. A "self selecting" good bunch of guys. No one forces them to do NA.

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